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11-12-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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Even NotReady would admit this, he would just dispute that while infinitely complex and complicated, it is nonetheless NECESSARY, and so doesnt fail Occam's test. You are saying the opposite, that it passes Occam's test through its simplicity. This seems way wrong. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's arguing against Occam's criterion in general. 
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#132
11-12-2007, 06:54 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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I most certainly do understand the problem with talking about disproving God. So why is it that there are so many that emphaticaly claim that there is no God? [/ QUOTE ] There aren't. There are plenty who say it's unreasonable to believe in God. This is a very different claim.
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#133
11-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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There aren't. There are plenty who say it's unreasonable to believe in God. This is a very different claim. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? pokervintage
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#134
11-12-2007, 07:35 PM
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Huh? [/ QUOTE ] There are very few people who emphatically deny the existence of God. If you believe people are making the claim that God doesn't exist, then you are misinterpreting.
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#135
11-12-2007, 07:39 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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If you believe people are making the claim that God doesn't exist, then you are misinterpreting. [/ QUOTE ] Really? So all of these folks that respond that they are atheists are in reality misrepresenting themselves and their belief. Atheists emphatically deny the existence of God. pokervintage
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#136
11-12-2007, 08:00 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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Atheists emphatically deny the existence of God. [/ QUOTE ] No, we don't. I point you to the dozens of threads already on the topic, or you can google it, or see refutations by atheist thinkers and organization, or hell, try the wiki. You're the one who's misrepresenting.
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#137
11-12-2007, 08:04 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God or gods.
Come on give me a break. We now have atheists that do not deny the existence of god. Wow! pokervintage
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#138
11-12-2007, 08:09 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
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atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God or gods. Come on give me a break. We now have atheists that do not deny the existence of god. Wow! [/ QUOTE ] Disbelief in the existence of God isn't the same as belief in the nonexistence of God. Few atheists outright deny the existence of God - this has been true since people started describing themselves as atheists, it's nothing new.
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#139
11-12-2007, 08:51 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
disbelieve - 1. The act of not believing.
2. Actively denying a statement, opinion or perception. I have heard this argument of yours before. The "weak" vs the strong" atheist usually acompanies the explanation. Disbelieving is denying plain and simple. Some guy making claims about how they don't mean the same thing doesnt change the fact that when you ask an atheist if there is a God or if God exists or if they believe in God, they say "no". They deny there is a God. They do not say I don't know. Disbelief is the same as denying when an atheist speaks of God. pokervintage
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#140
11-12-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: The Better Intelligence-Religion Correlation
So pedantic.
There are degrees of atheism/agnosticism, just as there are different degrees of Christian belief. Christianity has divides, different faiths, slightly different rules to follow and is not a static thing. The same is true of atheism. There is no hard and fast black and white about it. You'll find some atheists disagree about certain points. Shades of gray.
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