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#1
09-01-2007, 06:06 AM
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QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
Looking for other approaches/comments on theis hand. QQ out of position always seems to get me into trouble.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $98.65 Hero (BB): $245.60 UTG: $168.10 MP: $229.75 CO: $203.00 BTN: $595.90 Reads: <font color="blue">Villian was tight Aggro stats VPIP 17/16/4 and up about 2.3 buyins at this table. He had loosened up as the table tightened (had been about 13VPIP earlier) His button ranger was wider but when he called the 3 bet i put him on a very strong hand due to the timing tell and never having seen him call a 3 bet.</font> Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players) 3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, BTN calls $17.00 Flop: ($49) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, BTN calls $32.00 Turn: ($113) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN checks River: ($113) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $45.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $539.90</font>, Hero folds Uncalled bet of $494.90 returned to BTN Pot Size: $203.00 ($3 Rake) 
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#4
09-01-2007, 06:21 AM
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Re: Tricky QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
Yes i guess in a 3 bet pot that should be the line could not see him with a 9 but in this hand after playing with villian for quite a while i was pretty sure i was looking AA/KK with pre-flop action and the way he paused before just calling. Should probably still just have gone with it due to SPR.
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#6
09-01-2007, 07:00 AM
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Re: Tricky QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
Yes i kind of butchered the hand, but the idea behind the weak lead is to rep AK that just hit and decide based on his actions what to do. i.e. if he raises as he did i am probably beat.
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#8
09-01-2007, 07:09 AM
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Re: Tricky QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
From past experience this type of player has started to Slow play AA/KK in exactly this type of situation where a 4 bet is transparent but just calling with the view to getting maximum value heads up for their hand.
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#9
09-01-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: Tricky QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
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Doesn't this kind of player 4bet AA/KK pf? You definitely have to bet this turn, and also call a shove. [/ QUOTE ] This is a really bad assumption. For a lot of TAGs these days smooth calling the 3-bet w/ AA/KK in position is the standard line. Some should and some shouldn't, but it's definitely common. This hand was butchered, though. You should be happy to stack off on that flop and c-bet bigger, IMO. Even if his 3-bet calling range is tight, it's going to consist of TT+ and AK, which means you're ahead. Add to that the consideration that this is button v blind and you really can't get all iffy about whether to commit here. At any rate, when the turn is checked through YHIG a lot. Check/call would be my line. Betting without a plan should you face a shove is gross.
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#10
09-01-2007, 10:05 AM
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Re: Tricky QQ 3bet pre flop against tricky player
BTW, hero's image in these 3-bet pots is almost as important as villains in most cases.
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