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Old 11-21-2007, 10:39 PM
sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline
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Default Re: Second chance vs Thorladen

as played i can't fold, even though i hate it. too much in pot, i don't rly think he's flatting here with AK. i dunno, maybe i am wrong. he prob has AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ. so it's tough no matter what and i don't like any result.

how do you guys play this pre generally? i was in a similar spot in the super tuesday on stars with AK in 2nd pos v a somewhat loose opener w/ a similar stack size. i reraised like bond18 and got in most of my chips pre, only to shove on a random flop and get called by 99. i rly thought it was a horrendous play by the opener but probably just as bad on my part. in EP v a loose opener with around 22bb, is this a std shove?
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: Second chance vs Thorladen

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Shove pre. If his range is JJ+, we have enough equity to shove. I'd shove.

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I think you misread the hand. We are the preflop reraiser.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:46 PM
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Shove pre. If his range is JJ+, we have enough equity to shove. I'd shove.

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I think you misread the hand. We are the preflop reraiser.

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Yeah, I'm saying instead of 3betting and putting in 36% of our stack with AKo, just shove. The second and third sentences had to do with postflop, now I see where I failed to communicate clearly.
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Bond18 Bond18 is offline
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Default Re: Second chance vs Thorladen

Todd,

Later positions i just jam pre.
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:57 AM
TheFoxNL TheFoxNL is offline
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Default Re: Second chance vs Thorladen

only hands we beat will fold to a bet imo
and thats JJ and maybe AQs
QQ KK AA has us beat and AK is just split pot

so i prefer a check/fold
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:11 AM
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Todd,

Later positions i just jam pre.

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Care to elaborate why? My initial thought was to shove pre. In this case I'd take the same action whether I was MP or LP. What's your action if someone behind is shoving over your 3-bet? I assume you make a difference here between shortstacks and bigstacks?
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:16 PM
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This is not a c/f.

Shove
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:12 PM
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This is such a dirty spot, i have no idea. glad i could help.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Second chance vs Thorladen

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This is such a dirty spot, i have no idea. glad i could help.

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ya man, this is def no T7d, way out of yer area of expertise

w/ less than 1/2pot in your stack, i cannot see any other play than to shove.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:30 PM
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This is such a dirty spot, i have no idea. glad i could help.

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ya man, this is def no T7d, way out of yer area of expertise

w/ less than 1/2pot in your stack, i cannot see any other play than to shove.

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