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#1
08-30-2007, 03:14 PM
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Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
1. Villain raises in the CO to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. You call with KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds fold.
Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has A4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand) He bets 14. a. Do you call or raise? b. Why? c. If you call and he checks the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays) d. If you call and he bets 30 on the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays) 2. Villain raises in the CO to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. You call with KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds fold. Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has K8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand) He bets 14. a. Do you call or fold? b. Why? c. If you call and he checks the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays) d. If you call and he bets 30 on the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays) 
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#3
08-30-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
Hand 1 -
I call because I don't wanna get allin here when he has like 48% equity. I would rather wait to see a safe turn card or whatever. If he checks to us on any turn card that isn't an ace or a spade, I'm betting ~30 or so to protect my hand but also to get value if he calls too often with draws. If he leads 30 on any card that doesn't improve his hand (I don't count a 4 as improving his hand but it should be taken into consideration), I'm shoving because if he misses the river it's very unlikely he's gonna fire again and I want to get his money in when he's behind. Hand 2 - I call here because there are a lot of cards that improve our hand - a J, 7, T, 9 will all do it, also we can rep spades if one comes in. If he checks the turn, I'm going to continue trying to rep a draw and check through. We're not scared of any rivers because we know his hand and we're still behind so we're not letting him catch up if we take a free card. I would consider betting any J, T, 7 turn but I would check a 9 so we can induce a river bet. If a spade comes I would consider firing as well. If he leads turn I fold.
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#5
08-30-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
1- Call. Doesn't seem optimal to build a large pot when we are only marginally ahead. I'd probably bet the turn to protect our equity (given blank).
2- Fold. We aren't getting better to fold, we can call in hopes to improve on the turn I suppose but I think this is a marginal spot either way.
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#6
08-30-2007, 11:06 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
hand 1, on flop raise to as much as you think hell call with implied odds that is mathemaically profitable for you on all streets. always ovbiously bet enough so that he cant call with his flush and ace outs. when he hits you fold right away so as long as you deny immediate pot odds its ok.
hand two i fold. you know what you are drawing at and its a [censored] draw that has a disgusting scare card. fold right away. if you hit you ten hell get spooked and you probably dont have impieds to draw to a 3 outer.
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#8
08-30-2007, 03:30 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
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I don't even think hand 2 is debatable, it's a fold. [/ QUOTE ] You sure it's not debatable? You know what he has, you have position, and you have hidden equity. [ QUOTE ] How aggressive is villain with draws in hand 1? [/ QUOTE ] If you raise he may just shove... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#9
08-30-2007, 04:18 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
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[ QUOTE ] I don't even think hand 2 is debatable, it's a fold. [/ QUOTE ] You sure it's not debatable? You know what he has, you have position, and you have hidden equity. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you have enough hidden equity to continue. After a 9 he knows he's counterfeited and you will not win a big pot. The 3 nonspade 10's might get you some action, but they still complete both the QJ float and 76 as well as your actual hand and I doubt you're going to win a big pot there. Only time you win his stack is when a K and T both come on t/r
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#10
08-30-2007, 04:31 PM
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Re: Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't even think hand 2 is debatable, it's a fold. [/ QUOTE ] You sure it's not debatable? You know what he has, you have position, and you have hidden equity. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you have enough hidden equity to continue. After a 9 he knows he's counterfeited and you will not win a big pot. The 3 nonspade 10's might get you some action, but they still complete both the QJ float and 76 as well as your actual hand and I doubt you're going to win a big pot there. Only time you win his stack is when a K and T both come on t/r [/ QUOTE ]an average villain is stacking off on a non spade T 100% of the time.
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