narcs on 2p2?

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im wondering if its safe to advertise home games on here... i mean there could be cops tryin to bust ppl's games by scoping ppl out on here

[Krow]

They can't bust a home game if you don't charge or take a cut, because home games are not illegal so no one can "narc" on you.

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They can't bust a home game if you don't charge or take a cut, because home games are not illegal so no one can "narc" on you.

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In many states, including mine (Tennessee), this is completely untrue; an unraked game is also illegal. That said, the chances of a narc being here and busting your game are so low its not worth worrying about.

[Rottersod]

IIWU I'd be more concerned about jackers.

[ocularus]

do you know where you can find out what would make a home game illegal? I would like to be able to check in my state. Thanks!
-John

[h_ven]

Home Poker Laws

[Krow]

From what I've seen on this site Tennesse seems to be the only state that would have a problem with this but most of the legeslation is against house gambling which is where the house takes a cut or it the case of casino gambling the house wins based on the way the games are set with the odds to payout ratio favoring the house, makeing any games like this illegal gambling, (such as craps, blackjack,)[which is what most of the legilation is after] but not poker because all players have the exact same mathmatical chances to win as another player.

That being said it may seem illegal but the real defence to a home game is justly arguing that poker is a game of skill. Which this seems to be accepted to be true making playing a game of poker no diffent than wagering on a game of golf. Also I would like to see if someone can verify this legislation as I would be curious to find out my self. And for every state if possible, which I will try to find and I will post, if possible talk to a few lawyers about this.

I know that a home poker game in my state without rake or cut is legal as I have family who run a gambling establishment and are actively involved in the law. So if I posted wrong before I understood most state law to be based on rakes and casino style gaming as opposed to parimutual waring. I would have a heartattack if I saw two people arrested for flipping a coin for a few dollars or even worse a home poker game being stopped and actually making it to trial. Also check your city if there are bars that offer poker games which many deal with real money, that will show you just how safe a home game is if there are no bars or places that offer poker than you may worry about that.

But once again argue as a skill game, that takes you out of the legilation calling gambling illegal. Point again this makes poker as illegal a wagering on a game of golf and a wager on golf is certainly not illegal no matter what you argue unless somehow it constitutes income and somehow tax fraud. My advice stop worrying about this. But I also would like to see the legisaltion.

If someone could find one case of a home poker game that took no cut or rake or in any other way illegal besides simply being a poker game, that was tried and lost. Please submit it, if home games are illegal there would have to be at least one case taken to trial and at least one case that lost at trial, so I would like to see a case as evidence please!

[drj003]

go to homepokergames.com If I were a narc trying to bust homegames, I'd start there, not here. lol

[Jeff76]

Home games are definitely illegal here in GA. We just had two very high profile busts and I don't think rake was being taken in either one. My .10/.20 game is probably not going to be in much jepordy. That being said, I think there was serious money in both games. I still would be hesitant to run a big multi-table tournament, though, since it would be hard to do without attracting some attention.

As far as the whole "skill" thing goes, it is possible for something to be both skillful and gambling. It really depends on your definition of gambling, but I think since poker is a game of wagering on outcomes governed by chance, it is really hard to argue that it isn't gambling.

The difference between wagering on golf ad wagering on poker is that in poker the skill is in the wagering not the outcome, whereas in golf the skill is in outcome, not the wagering. This gets a little bit murky in that the wagering affects the outcome in poker (since in most games hands that would have won are folded before showdown based on the wagering), but the two are still different concepts.

You can be a great golf player and crummy at wagering on it (you might make huge bets that you can beat Tiger Woods, for example), but you cannot be a good poker player and be crummy at wagering.

Anyway, the legislation forum is probably more appropriate for this discussion, but that is my two cents.

[Krow]

Though it may be illegal, and being "broken up", but I have never heard of any such case taken to court, you say you are not sure whether they were taking some form of a cut and most larger games that are busted that is the assuption (true or not). I would say that the law is a bit fuzzy in any of the states I have read save for the ones that veiw where there is a distinct seperation between a home game of poker (wagering with the same odds) and casino style gameing.i would say that those organising a home game have almost nothing to fear. Once again I would like to see a case involving a home game and not just "hearsay" because many of the details are probably left out.

Also I do think that this is an appropriate topic in this form and also the legislation as it applies to "home games".