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Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com
MP2 (t1500) MP3 (t1610) CO (t1290) Button (t1460) SB (t1200) BB (t1500) UTG (t1500) UTG+1 (t1940) Hero (t1500) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t80, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>. Flop: (t190) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t160</font>, MP3 calls t160. Turn: (t510) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t360</font>, MP3 calls t360. River: (t1230) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t500</font>, Hero ??? Im readless, comments on turn and river? |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
Turn is fine IMO.
This river really sucks, but I think you have to fold. I just don't see you winning enough here to call. |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
Ugh. I would bet smaller on the flop and turn and fire a block bet on the river and fold to a shove. 125 on the flop 1/2 pot the turn (220). Bet like 300 on the river. In most cases in SNGs you're good here and they'll call with a J or some bs. A queen will shove, and you've only invested half your stack by the river, and you can fold to a raise.
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
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Ugh. I would bet smaller on the flop and turn and fire a block bet on the river and fold to a shove. 125 on the flop 1/2 pot the turn (220). Bet like 300 on the river. In most cases in SNGs you're good here and they'll call with a J or some bs. A queen will shove, and you've only invested half your stack by the river, and you can fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] Why smaller bets on the flop and turn? We are betting for value there. I understand this makes it harder (pretty much impossible) to fire a blocker bet on the river, but we can't play to save our stack on a scary river. |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
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[ QUOTE ] Ugh. I would bet smaller on the flop and turn and fire a block bet on the river and fold to a shove. 125 on the flop 1/2 pot the turn (220). Bet like 300 on the river. In most cases in SNGs you're good here and they'll call with a J or some bs. A queen will shove, and you've only invested half your stack by the river, and you can fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] Why smaller bets on the flop and turn. We are betting for value there. I understand this makes it harder (pretty much impossible) to fire a blocker bet on the river, but we can't play to save our stack on a scary river. [/ QUOTE ] smaller bets on the flop and turn are just a bad idea here. you want to get moniez in the pot now, you have a storng hand, his range is well behind you, so bet it hard. on the river, i kinda like a blocking bet , if raised fold. |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
I don't know. I find that small stakes SNGs are so loose that people will call your bet whether it's 1/3 the pot or 2x the pot with the same bs. I mean, most times I get AA in a 6.50 SNG, I 8-10xBB PF and then shove the flop getting called most of the time by any hand that hits or doesn't.
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
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I don't know. I find that small stakes SNGs are so loose that people will call your bet whether it's 1/3 the pot or 2x the pot with the same bs. I mean, most times I get AA in a 6.50 SNG, I 8-10xBB PF and then shove the flop getting called most of the time by any hand that hits or doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] You seem to be contradicting yourself now. If they will call all sizes of bets (which I think is a very costly generalization) then why wouldn't he bet closer to the pot to get value? You kinda make it seem like you just make random bets and hope to get paid off. Edit: Sorry for getting OT. I like the idea of a blocker bet but you only have 900 at the river, so you really can't do that here IMO. In game I'd probably be pissed off and just call, but I really can't decide if you're beat here or not now. Ugh, I just don't see any hands you beat betting here except for maybe a busted draw like KT. |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
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I don't know. I find that small stakes SNGs are so loose that people will call your bet whether it's 1/3 the pot or 2x the pot with the same bs. I mean, most times I get AA in a 6.50 SNG, I 8-10xBB PF and then shove the flop getting called most of the time by any hand that hits or doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, so these players will call bets regardless of their size, and you want to bet LESS? How does this make sense again? |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
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Ugh. I would bet smaller on the flop and turn and fire a block bet on the river and fold to a shove. 125 on the flop 1/2 pot the turn (220). Bet like 300 on the river. In most cases in SNGs you're good here and they'll call with a J or some bs. A queen will shove, and you've only invested half your stack by the river, and you can fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] Just to let you know I'm basically never making smaller bets on the flop and turn so that I have a better stack for a bet/fold line if a bad river comes, just doesn't make any sense to do that. Ty for opinions, I did think about a blocking bet but my stack size sucks to do that and if he's at all competent my hand is VERY transparent. I folded btw, I think he's got a Q most of the time, small amount of the time he boated and was way overslowplaying, .00001% of the time he made the perfect bluff with KT cause it looks so strong compared to a shove which I would probably call, and the rest of the time its some random $6.50 player bet with TT or JT something that somehow he is neither value betting or bluffing. Silver, its almost pot sized, how much do you bet the flop? Turn is a big overshove your gonna lose a good amount of value. |
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Re: Stars 6.50 Overpair gross river
Note that I am not being critical - my thoughts are experiential. Pocket aces used to be the bane of my existance. All of what I studied/read said for them to be played much as you have and the forum has stated. But I got tired of needing to fold my pocket aces.
Play aces weak, play aces strong, do this - do that. What seems to work experiencially for me for these trnys is to over-raise (2 pot?) flop and push when the turn is safe. It could be that everyone sees me as a dork and discounts my play - as they maybe should [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Are the bets called? More often in the mid-game then early on.. I have 1600 trnys on file but have only changed my play over the last couple of hundred - so I cannot tell you. Am I winning less from my opponents? I cannot tell you that either... |
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