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08-17-2006, 12:41 PM
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1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
ok, just started the session, villain had a TAGgy SN, dont recognize him but im not a regular in this game.
i(1K) open QJo in MP, button calls, blinds fold. flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] i check, check. turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] i check, bet 65, call. river A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] i check, bet 175... play? 900 total to start the river action, remember if u like a raise then the amt u raise would be nice and whether u call a push is prob the most important thing. 
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#2
08-17-2006, 12:54 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
I do not see much value in a river rasie. It looks to me as if he has a Q, possibly AQ or you induced him to try to push you off your hand. I think I would have bet called the river though it seems an ace or a air would be happy to take the free showdown now.
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#3
08-17-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
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I do not see much value in a river rasie. It looks to me as if he has a Q, possibly AQ or you induced him to try to push you off your hand. I think I would have bet called the river though it seems an ace or a air would be happy to take the free showdown now. [/ QUOTE ] good post but im not sure how often an ace will check behind (esp w/ a good kicker)... i think an ace prob value bets which is easily the correct play.
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#4
08-17-2006, 01:28 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
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good post but im not sure how often an ace will check behind (esp w/ a good kicker)... i think an ace prob value bets which is easily the correct play. [/ QUOTE ] Even if he has an ace i doubt he is paying off a raise
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#5
08-17-2006, 01:45 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
Flawless,
Seems like a very extensive trap. Would any other river card made you feel as uncomfortable? After thinking about this for a moment (and erasing a long stupid post) I think a raise is silly on this river. You won't make a Q fold. AQ/AA/77 are definetly getting it in. And anything you beat will not call your raise. So you don't get paid off ever with the outright best hand. What you need to way to figure out your EV is the times you can get him to fold Qx compared to the times that he holds AA/AQ/77. If making him fold Qx is greater then the other holdings then a raise is in order. NO WAY that is the case here.
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#6
08-17-2006, 01:48 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
Am I alone in thinking you have to bet this river?
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#8
08-17-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
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Am I alone in thinking you have to bet this river? [/ QUOTE ] I think betting the river is the usual play for most people. I don't actually mind just calling the river, but villian could certainly just have an ace and hero's line looks so suss that a raise may get called. If hero and villian had been going at it it's a totally obvious raise of course.
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#10
08-17-2006, 07:23 PM
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Re: 1K6m. overfull on double paired river play.
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Flawless, Seems like a very extensive trap. Would any other river card made you feel as uncomfortable? After thinking about this for a moment (and erasing a long stupid post) I think a raise is silly on this river. You won't make a Q fold. AQ/AA/77 are definetly getting it in. And anything you beat will not call your raise. So you don't get paid off ever with the outright best hand. What you need to way to figure out your EV is the times you can get him to fold Qx compared to the times that he holds AA/AQ/77. If making him fold Qx is greater then the other holdings then a raise is in order. NO WAY that is the case here. [/ QUOTE ] Why can't he have 7x?
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