NL 10 two tough hands

lowbie · #1 11-02-2007, 10:23 AM

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BB ($4.25)
UTG ($6.65)
MP ($15.80)
CO ($37.30)
Button ($7.35)
Hero ($10.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.55, MP folds, Button calls $0.55.

Flop: ($2.15) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG calls $4.50 (All-In), Button calls $5.20 (All-In).

River: ($21.55) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $21.55

i was unsure whether to bet the turn or just play c/c
i decided to put both players allin to get max value
maybe i do have the best hand right now and/or i draw to the nutflush on the river
but either way i would go all the way with this hand

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($7.10)
MP ($9.90)
CO ($17.95)
Button ($3.15)
Hero ($9.55)
BB ($14.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $0.2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP calls $0.55.

Flop: ($1.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1.

Turn: ($3.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $8.15 (All-In), Hero bets $7.8 (All-In).

River: ($19.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $18.85

bet turn?
as played, call correct ?

ROcketRO · #2 11-02-2007, 10:45 AM

you should bet more on the flop in both hands. the first hand is played well. i'd play it the same except i'd bet more on the flop.
the second hand... bet the turn, fold to a push imo.

mystro · #3 11-02-2007, 10:55 AM

First hand appears standard, although I too would bet more on the flop simply to extract more value out of loose players.

as for the second hand, it highly depends on the reason you called... By checking the turn you're saying that you think he made the flush and so if that is why you check then when he shoves all in you should be folding as you clearly don't have the odds to draw and there are no implied odds beyond this hand.

However, since you call his all in, you're saying you still think you have the best hand, and so you should be betting the turn to extract the most value out of your hand... As such I would say bet/call, bet/fold may be correct plays but not check/call...

mystro · #4 11-02-2007, 11:13 AM

oh also, bet more on the flop of the second hand as well, on a two flush draw flop I would often bet 90%-100% of the pot just because most villains willing to call a flush draw for $1 may be willing to call it for more as well and you should be extracting more value here

I'm no authority on the issue though ;\

bsball8806 · #5 11-02-2007, 11:20 AM

Hand 1: make it like 1.8 on the flop, other than that this is standard.

Hand 2: I think we lead out for like 3.3 (we have the 2nd nut flush draw to go along with our overpair), and we call a shove. MP doesn't necessarily have a flush here, he could have something retarded like A10 with the A of hearts and be really over betting his tp with nfd.

kurto · #6 11-02-2007, 11:56 AM

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you should bet more on the flop in both hands. the first hand is played well. i'd play it the same except i'd bet more on the flop.
the second hand... bet the turn, fold to a push imo.

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Regarding second hand - assuming he bet more on the flop as you suggested, and he bet the turn, he would have more then half his stack in... why bet and then fold?

retep · #7 11-02-2007, 12:06 PM

Hand 1: I like betting a little more preflop since you are OOP, something like .8 would be better imo. AS far as flop i would bet a little more. Rest of the hand is standard.

Hand 2: Id bet a little more on flop. I don't like b/f Turn as if we get raised we still have some equity against non-nut flushes. and getting raised would be meh. I'd rather c/c a small bet. I am prolly folding to this bet tho as if you are behind you don't have odds to continue. ALthough, if he mihgt have the Ah9x here or some other type of Ahx hand, but i doubt it.