$119 FTP Interesting bubble hand

[ImNotSoGood]

I don't like this play just because both of them will fold so rarely, and yes you have a ton of dead $ in the pot, but the SB shows up here with huge hands often enough to really hurt your equity.

Ftbplaya is a donkey, his play was awful as it usually is, but Jawarhalo is actually decent, and I'm 95% sure that he was trying to stop n' go here.

This is a good play if the villains are donkeys, but replace one of the villains with a decent player and the range tightens up so much. If a good player open raises the button like this he is a) not folding b) generally very strong. If a decent player calls out of the small blind he is also rarely ever folding, and is either trapping or trying to stop n go. A good sb's cold calling range here is generally heavily weighted toward AA, and then something like 88-JJ, ATs+, and AJo+ if he's looking to stop n go.

Your equity against that range is just under 30%, and you need alot more dead $ to make the shove profitable.

[rakes.a.beach]

I hate BB's play.
I hate SB's play.
I like hero's play.

[Rek]

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I hate BB's play.
I hate SB's play.
I like hero's play.

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mmmmmm BB is the hero

[Luisgallo]

With those blinds at that buy in I can't imagine a raise not being AA or KK and especially a flat call.

I am seriously impressed of how bad is the level.

Bottom line: if you had a strong read on weakness on both player then it's a different story otherwise I can't see how this can possibly be EV+.

[Little John]

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I'm not a fan. People are just too dumb to fold (you can tell how good he is by his initial flat call). The button and SB's play were horrible. Push/fold for both of them.

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[markksman]

I am going to plead my newbie ignorance here to a degree. Was your intent with going all in to get him to fold? Was that your only objective? I could not seeing myself making that move in those circumstances. So I am just trying to understand what the goal was in that situation.

Were these guys just raising and calling with really bad cards?

[rakes.a.beach]

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I hate BB's play.
I hate SB's play.
I like hero's play.

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mmmmmm BB is the hero

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opps. i mean i hate button's play.

[z32fanatic]

How it could have gone...



Full Tilt Poker Game #4016771374: $220+ $16 Sit & Go (Turbo) (30529623), Table 1 - 200/400 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:37:27 ET - 2007/10/30
Seat 2: z32fanatic (2,770)
Seat 3: the one423 (1,320)
Seat 5: joethemonkey (1,050), is sitting out
Seat 7: kylejf (4,025)
Seat 9: MFPlayer1 (4,335)
MFPlayer1 posts the small blind of 200
z32fanatic posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Ts Tc]
the one423 has 15 seconds left to act
the one423 folds
joethemonkey folds
kylejf raises to 1,100
MFPlayer1 calls 900
z32fanatic raises to 2,770, and is all in
kylejf folds
MFPlayer1 folds
Uncalled bet of 1,670 returned to z32fanatic
z32fanatic mucks
z32fanatic wins the pot (3,300)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,300 | Rake 0
Seat 2: z32fanatic (big blind) collected (3,300), mucked
Seat 3: the one423 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: joethemonkey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: kylejf (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MFPlayer1 (small blind) folded before the Flop

[suzzer99]

You know damn well they only fold when you have a hand.

[Luisgallo]

standard.