Common spot i suck at

[registrar]

CC what bet on the flop? 1k? Leaving us 1.2k behind and 3.5k in the pot?

If I check this flop, and I don't fold, then I check shove. Or just shove the turn. I think CC...CF is lunacy.

Edit: I probably wouldn't shove pre here. I think the hand has too much value. So probably 500/call. As played, I'm definitely checking and probably shoving. Worse isn't probably calling UI however we play it but may be dumb enough to bet and then will call. Better probably isn't folding however we play it.

[eBo]

Bet/fold

What would you do if you were deepstacked? Prolly bet/fold.

No need to push PF just because you could get a cooler flop like this. It's more +EV to standard raise PF.

[curtains]

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CC what bet on the flop? 1k? Leaving us 1.2k behind and 3.5k in the pot?

If I check this flop, and I don't fold, then I check shove. Or just shove the turn. I think CC...CF is lunacy.

Edit: I probably wouldn't shove pre here. I think the hand has too much value. So probably 500/call. As played, I'm definitely checking and probably shoving. Worse isn't probably calling UI however we play it but may be dumb enough to bet and then will call. Better probably isn't folding however we play it.

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IMO TT doesn't have that much value when 5 off the button with 14x BB.

[aaaaaaaa]

i think i c/f flop but i think he will check flop a lot with underpairs too so that is good. seems like 14 bb and no ante is slightly too much to open shove.

[Astyanax]

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AQ is highly unlikely unless he sucks, ditto for KQ.

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So what hands do we beat unless villain is uber-retarded? I would like to hear Gobbo's thoughts on 'betting for infomation' on this flop (his theory may not ring true in this scenario). If we consider a K a cooler (10 10 vs AK) then we should just shove flop as we may get Q10/Q9 to fold, maybe.

[dmk]

if QT/Q9 are calling pf, they're not folding on this flop

i typically just push pf because i'm not good

[Astyanax]

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if QT/Q9 are calling pf, they're not folding on this flop


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As I said, maybe...to an overshove possibly. I think check/folding is best but see above...

[shaundeeb]

check/shove

It is better then bet/calling because it gets more value from his lesser pairs.

[Requin]

I thought this was a spot where they always have AA/KK given stacks. Or is that only when we know villain is good?

[brad2002tj]

Maybe this is why I suck but:

Fire out a c-bet, fold to raise, if called check-fold turn unless improved.