wtf you 4betting me on the flop. i obv repping trips. help please.

john kane · #1 10-04-2007, 06:31 PM

only had about 15 hands on opponent, he was running at 38/14 or something like that. no history i can remember but he will of seen me raising a lot pf.

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5 players, seat 8 is the button

Seat 1: HERO ($495.00)
Seat 3: UTG ($591.00)
Seat 6: CO ($276.90)
Seat 8: BTN ($505.55)
Seat 10: SB ($706.50)

SB posts small blind, $3.00
HERO posts big blind, $6.00

Dealing to HERO:
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UTG folds
CO folds
BTN raises to $12
SB folds
HERO calls

Dealing flop: (Pot is $27.00)
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HERO bets $24
BTN raises to $48
HERO raises to $135
BTN raises to $252

so when he reraises:

pot: $414
to call: $117

effective stacks of $348, so if i shove im shoving for another $231 to put to him.

from my ropey maths by getting our chips in we need to be at least ahead 31%.

call or shove?

sorry this is probs really easy, just bugged me.

FireStorm · #2 10-04-2007, 06:34 PM

The question here seems to be about YOU repping trips. You may or may not be sending that signal, but apparently, thats not a problem to him. He likely has 8x or 22 himself. If we use this as a range, and throw in higher club draws, this pretty much has to be a fold.

Chaos_ult · #3 10-04-2007, 06:46 PM

If you're folding to a 4-bet, then don't 3 bet.

ursine cotcher · #4 10-04-2007, 06:49 PM

A) You are being Yetied
B) He has 22/8x
C) He is a crackhead

One of the above. Tbh I think the question is push or fold, not call. I think I fold this.

JReezy · #5 10-04-2007, 07:02 PM

i think i like a bigger 3bet. as played i think i'd fold, but i'd push with Ax clubs

jalexand42 · #6 10-04-2007, 07:03 PM

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If you're folding to a 4-bet, then don't 3 bet.

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Chaos_ult · #7 10-04-2007, 07:03 PM

You guys are seriously ok with 3-bet folding this board?

Someone please explain it to me

john kane · #8 10-04-2007, 07:51 PM

isn't the 3 bet a wise idea given he could easily have an rag ace, 33-77? when he min raises i think that is a large part of his range. 99-AA as well and any 8.

los_toros · #9 10-04-2007, 08:09 PM

there are more streets of play than the flop though

john kane · #10 10-04-2007, 08:13 PM

i think a 3bet on flop has more fold equity than a call then fire on the turn becuase he knows (consciously but more likely subconciously) that he has 2 streets of action, not 1 street left to play if he calls.

i was really surpised by his 4bet, i barely ever get 4bet on this type of flop.