Entire HH for a $16 on Stars

[djj6835]

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While there are a lot of draws out there, a lot of the "drawy" hands like JT, KJ, J9, or random suited clubs, should've been eliminated by my preflop reraise. Now, if the board was QJT or all clubs (aka a draw that is made way easier than these) then I would definitely lead flop and turn. I'm definitely prepared to stack off with top set if the draw hits. If the turn is a club or makes another draw, I'm leading turn for a little more, maybe 1/2 pot instead of 1/3rd. This is a pretty standard play against opponents that are likely bad (in this SNG I assumed nobody was good and played accordingly).


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Isn't the first part of this statement and the last part kind of contradictory?

[z32fanatic]

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While there are a lot of draws out there, a lot of the "drawy" hands like JT, KJ, J9, or random suited clubs, should've been eliminated by my preflop reraise. Now, if the board was QJT or all clubs (aka a draw that is made way easier than these) then I would definitely lead flop and turn. I'm definitely prepared to stack off with top set if the draw hits. If the turn is a club or makes another draw, I'm leading turn for a little more, maybe 1/2 pot instead of 1/3rd. This is a pretty standard play against opponents that are likely bad (in this SNG I assumed nobody was good and played accordingly).


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Isn't the first part of this statement and the last part kind of contradictory?

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What I mean by that is if it completes a hypothetical draw, it likely makes more draws, a club may give someone one card flush draw, a J or 9 could give someone an OESD. I assume that's what you were asking about.

[djj6835]

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While there are a lot of draws out there, a lot of the "drawy" hands like JT, KJ, J9, or random suited clubs, should've been eliminated by my preflop reraise. Now, if the board was QJT or all clubs (aka a draw that is made way easier than these) then I would definitely lead flop and turn. I'm definitely prepared to stack off with top set if the draw hits. If the turn is a club or makes another draw, I'm leading turn for a little more, maybe 1/2 pot instead of 1/3rd. This is a pretty standard play against opponents that are likely bad (in this SNG I assumed nobody was good and played accordingly).




[/ QUOTE ] Isn't the first part of this statement and the last part kind of contradictory?


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[/ QUOTE ] What I mean by that is if it completes a hypothetical draw, it likely makes more draws, a club may give someone one card flush draw, a J or 9 could give someone an OESD. I assume that's what you were asking about.

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Oh, no sorry. I was talking about assuming your raise eliminated hands like KJ, JT, etc., but then saying you are assuming your opponents are bad.

[z32fanatic]

Oh. I guess there is a chance they have hands like KJ, JT, etc. but even if he called with a hand like AJs, he more likely has AJs of a suit NOT clubs. I just don't really fear draws in HU reraised pots. Maybe I'm crazy.

[MrBump]

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Exciting stuff. I think the min-raise with KQo has the same FE as 450-600 raise against that BB so maybe keeping the pot smaller is good?

I was wondering what you would do in this hand if omni had folded. You can't obv push and I guess raising isn't possible.

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PokerStars Game #7639651404: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/12/27 - 23:55:12 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1415 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2480 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1205 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (5365 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Budha95 (2305 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (730 in chips)
TITUSPOWER: posts small blind 100
THEBIGE13: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [9c Kc]
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
THEBIGE13 has returned
omniheart: raises 400 to 600
z32fanatic: folds
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: raises 400 to 1000
omniheart: folds
THEBIGE13 collected 1300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: omniheart folded before Flop
Seat 5: z32fanatic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (big blind) collected (1300)
Seat 8: Budha95 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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e: and ty

[tozzy]

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Seat 1: omniheart (1440 in chips)
Seat 2: Shlooks (555 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (1370 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1270 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2135 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1430 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (1990 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Budha95 (1675 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1635 in chips)
Shlooks: posts small blind 15
Grimace1897: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Th Td]
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: calls 30
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: folds
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: calls 30
omniheart: folds
Shlooks: raises 525 to 555 and is all-in
Grimace1897: folds
z32fanatic: raises 1580 to 2135 and is all-in
aaamonty3: folds


What range did you put villain on? He has well over 18 BB and there are roughly some 100 chips in the pot.
If you had raised, given you better odds, but the limp-over-shove is what is confusing me.


#2:
Seat 1: omniheart (1215 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (880 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (3080 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1205 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (3965 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (2655 in chips)
z32fanatic: posts small blind 75
TITUSPOWER: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [9c Ad]
THEBIGE13: calls 150
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: calls 75
TITUSPOWER: checks

Could you give a reasoning for completing versus folding / raising here.
and thanks a lot for the effort


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the KQo minraise thing discussed here, why don't you contibet that flop?

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What range did you put villain on? He has well over 18 BB and there are roughly some 100 chips in the pot.
If you had raised, given you better odds, but the limp-over-shove is what is confusing me.

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The donkey has a huge pushing range which TT is vastly ahead of as it includes a lot of small pairs and Ax hands. The limp is for set value as if he raises pf he is likely to be called and have to play a bad flop OOP. The shove over the donk push is an isolation play.


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Could you give a reasoning for completing versus folding / raising here.
and thanks a lot for the effort

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He can't raise since the loosest player at the table with a big stack has gotten involved and he would be OOP with a marginal hand. So it comes down to limping or folding. BB has a random hand and the limper has a large range against both A9 has value and can be limped for such a small portion of his stack.

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The lack of cbet in the KQo hand is likely because he got called by a very loose player and the board is very drawy. He's not folding a pair or a draw against that player and he certainly doesn't want to build a big pot with the other large stack.

[z32fanatic]

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I was wondering what you would do in this hand if omni had folded. You can't obv push and I guess raising isn't possible.


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Probably fold, but raising to 450/500 isn't bad at all.