Entire HH for a $16 on Stars

[ALReturnsLOL]

I am in shock of how awesome that was. I will have to ask some quetions tom. I am dead beat tired tonight though. Thanks for posting this.

[bones]

Al,

Maybe next time, in appreciation of his effort, don't link to his competition.

[ALReturnsLOL]

sorry didn't cross my mind till just now. fixed

[abel]

I have to say, I've been looking over my own hand histories over the past two or three days and seeing a lot of mistakes, but seeing someone else with a lot more experience play has opened my eyes to how many more mistakes I'm probably missing. Thanks a ton for posting this, it has really helped [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ManChild]

Ive got a couple Qs

#1
PokerStars Game #7639243963: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/12/27 - 23:29:01 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Shlooks (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (1530 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1680 in chips)
thelucid1: posts small blind 10
z32fanatic: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Qs Qd]
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: raises 60 to 80
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
Shlooks: folds
Grimace1897: calls 80
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: raises 195 to 275
THEBIGE13: calls 195
Grimace1897: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ts 4c]
z32fanatic: checks
THEBIGE13: bets 120
z32fanatic: calls 120

granted youve flopped top set and you dont want to push him out, but there are straight and flush draws out. is this your standard play here, and then leading a blank turn?
are you prepared to stack off here if a draw hits?. what if the turn puts out the flush, what do you do then?



#2

PokerStars Game #7639437472: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/27 - 23:41:16 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1365 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (665 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1155 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2740 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1355 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (3065 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1805 in chips)
thelucid1: posts small blind 25
z32fanatic: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [As Tc]
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: folds
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
Grimace1897: calls 50
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Td Js]
z32fanatic: checks
Grimace1897: bets 150
z32fanatic: raises 2150 to 2300


This one im just a little confused about, C/R with 2nd pair? please explain your thinking here. Im guessing villians shortstack is a huge part of why you did it. do you think just betting out here makes any sense?


#3

PokerStars Game #7639556519: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/27 - 23:48:57 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1215 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (880 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2930 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1055 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (4265 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (2655 in chips)
TITUSPOWER: posts small blind 75
THEBIGE13: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Qd Kc]
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: raises 150 to 300
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: calls 150


Why the Min raise PF?

[z32fanatic]

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Ive got a couple Qs

#1
PokerStars Game #7639243963: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/12/27 - 23:29:01 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Shlooks (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (1530 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1680 in chips)
thelucid1: posts small blind 10
z32fanatic: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Qs Qd]
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: raises 60 to 80
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
Shlooks: folds
Grimace1897: calls 80
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: raises 195 to 275
THEBIGE13: calls 195
Grimace1897: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ts 4c]
z32fanatic: checks
THEBIGE13: bets 120
z32fanatic: calls 120

granted youve flopped top set and you dont want to push him out, but there are straight and flush draws out. is this your standard play here, and then leading a blank turn?
are you prepared to stack off here if a draw hits?. what if the turn puts out the flush, what do you do then?

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While there are a lot of draws out there, a lot of the "drawy" hands like JT, KJ, J9, or random suited clubs, should've been eliminated by my preflop reraise. Now, if the board was QJT or all clubs (aka a draw that is made way easier than these) then I would definitely lead flop and turn. I'm definitely prepared to stack off with top set if the draw hits. If the turn is a club or makes another draw, I'm leading turn for a little more, maybe 1/2 pot instead of 1/3rd. This is a pretty standard play against opponents that are likely bad (in this SNG I assumed nobody was good and played accordingly).


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#2

PokerStars Game #7639437472: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/27 - 23:41:16 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1365 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (665 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1155 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2740 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1355 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (3065 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1805 in chips)
thelucid1: posts small blind 25
z32fanatic: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [As Tc]
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: folds
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
Grimace1897: calls 50
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Td Js]
z32fanatic: checks
Grimace1897: bets 150
z32fanatic: raises 2150 to 2300


This one im just a little confused about, C/R with 2nd pair? please explain your thinking here. Im guessing villians shortstack is a huge part of why you did it. do you think just betting out here makes any sense?

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Here I wish I had pushed preflop because the button open limp with 12BB is weak. Yes, the villain only having 600 chips is the entire reason I did this. If he had 1500 I probably would've called, rather than c/r. I don't like betting out here because if the guy has 22-99 he's gonna fold, and I don't want him folding. I also don't give him credit for a Jack just because he limped on the button and bet the flop.

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#3

PokerStars Game #7639556519: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/12/27 - 23:48:57 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: omniheart (1215 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (880 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2930 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1055 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (4265 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (2655 in chips)
TITUSPOWER: posts small blind 75
THEBIGE13: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Qd Kc]
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: raises 150 to 300
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: calls 150


Why the Min raise PF?

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Here I minraised because I thought I was going to call an all in from the SB, but not from the BB, so why make it 400 or 450 instead of minraising. If I minraise and BB comes over the top, I save 100 chips. I guess I just don't see how raising to 400 or 450 is better, besides the fact that the minraise entices the BB to shove more than a 400 or 450 raise.

[Paul B.]

TT on J835 board: I hate the turn overcall. Your equity sucks vs. 4-5 opponents. Leading, check-folding or even check-raising if you sense weakness, all would've been better than check-calling in that spot

QQ on QT4: I personally raise more pf for value, and checking on that flop out of position is horrendous. You can make the argument that it's HU and you are not gonna get any value out of worse hands, but it is even more important to protect your hand when there are 12-18 outs that can really hurt you, especially when the pot is big and you are out of position.

ATo in the BB: I personally push pf, but as played I think lead-calling is better than check-raising.

AKo on the button: raise Villain's flop donkbet. You are giving him too much credit by calling. He is a fish. >80% of the time they make that minbet with bottom/middle pair or a draw type hand to see where they are, and if you raise they fold. The likelihood that he is lead-raising is way too small to even consider not raising. Even worse is the turn call.. a GREAT card (non-flush non-straight scary overcard) came on the turn so if you are planning to put any more money in you should raise, not call the turn bet considering you will most likely have to call a river bet as well.

KQo on the button: pf and flop = wtf?

Endgame was perfect, as expected, though I can see an argument for limping the KT hand 3-handed.

[z32fanatic]

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TT on J835 board: I hate the turn overcall. Your equity sucks vs. 4-5 opponents. Leading, check-folding or even check-raising if you sense weakness, all would've been better than check-calling in that spot

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You're putting them on a K or 2 pair after the flop gets checked around and the turn gets min bet by the button? I thought it was 50/50 I'm ahead or behind here so I just called and tried to keep the pot small considering I wasn't too confident in my hand. Check/raising is horrible here. I want to make the pot bigger without top pair in a 5 way pot? No thanks. In general, "sensing weakness" in a 4 way pot in a $27 SNG with a min bet and 2 calls is not a great idea.

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QQ on QT4: I personally raise more pf for value, and checking on that flop out of position is horrendous. You can make the argument that it's HU and you are not gonna get any value out of worse hands, but it is even more important to protect your hand when there are 12-18 outs that can really hurt you, especially when the pot is big and you are out of position.

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There is a way bigger chance he'll stack off with JJ or a T than the odds he has TWO clubs AND hits on the turn. I'm not debating the fact he might have ONE club, which is why I would lead a club turn. You're saying his possible holdings are AKcc, AJcc, Axcc, or KJ, or J9 after calling a reraise? I think if you are putting your opponents on a flush draw here more than a T (which he'll normally confidently fold if you lead flop) then you're just seeing monsters for some reason. I almost think a club on the turn would HELP you get value because then the Ac would call a healthy bet on the turn when he's drawing.

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ATo in the BB: I personally push pf, but as played I think lead-calling is better than check-raising.

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Yeah I should've pushed preflop, but what are you hoping will happen if you lead? He'll shove 88? I'd have to say I'd rather lead Tx here than AT just because I'm only scared by a K or Q on the turn.

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AKo on the button: raise Villain's flop donkbet. You are giving him too much credit by calling. He is a fish. >80% of the time they make that minbet with bottom/middle pair or a draw type hand to see where they are, and if you raise they fold. The likelihood that he is lead-raising is way too small to even consider not raising. Even worse is the turn call.. a GREAT card (non-flush non-straight scary overcard) came on the turn so if you are planning to put any more money in you should raise, not call the turn bet considering you will most likely have to call a river bet as well.


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If he has mid pair he's definitely calling (as was demonstrated by his masterful Q high river call ITM). If I'm ahead with AK he'll fold. Trying to bluff donks is, in general, not a good idea. We know he's gonna stack off so why am I raising him when there is a chance I may be behind?

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KQo on the button: pf and flop = wtf?


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See my previous explanation as to why minraising is good. Again when he bets turn I'd call with A high, but there's a chance he has a pair or is even "bluffing with the best hand" by betting Ax no-pair here. if you can't tell, I like to play my hands against donks, rather than "playing them" or whatever you are supposed to do against people that aren't randomly clicking their mouse.

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Endgame was perfect, as expected, though I can see an argument for limping the KT hand 3-handed.

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The more I think about it the more I like a limp with KT there, just because if SB shoves I can confidently call, whereas if I fold, the BB could fold to the SB shove. I actually think raising is the worst option.

[Murd0c]

Q's for your HU play.

You folded K8s to a raise with <8BB?

Also is stop and going with hands like 33 your standard play facing a raise that doesn't commit you?

[z32fanatic]

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Q's for your HU play.

You folded K8s to a raise with <8BB?

Also is stop and going with hands like 33 your standard play facing a raise that doesn't commit you?

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At this point I wasn't sure if his PF range was wide enough to justify shoving with K8s. I don't think many people at the 27s range's are wide enough to justify it.

I liked the 33 play at the time because I didn't think he'd fold hands like KJs preflop. I thought there was a 80%+ chance I was getting called there. Maybe that's incorrect, but I think stop and go'ing and pushing preflop are pretty close, with Stop and go'ing being slightly better (but not when they flop top pair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])