Gross spot with JJ in $26/$28k guar

[benza13]

Villain is pretty retarded, very loose pf, but a limp 4bet just screams strength to me

Sorry, can't get any converters working


Full Tilt Poker Game #3205762818: $28,000 Guarantee (23964569), Table 139 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:45:31 ET - 2007/08/09
Seat 1: ChipnaChrrrr (2,090)
Seat 2: jeb326 (3,900)
Seat 3: CSCAGLIONE (1,570)
Seat 4: Action Bet (1,885)
Seat 5: harvey261 (1,520)
Seat 6: ABSOLUTDON (2,485)
Seat 7: affenarschgeil (3,080)
Seat 8: tsktsk (2,260), is sitting out
Seat 9: samloomis13 (895)
ChipnaChrrrr posts the small blind of 30
jeb326 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChipnaChrrrr [Js Jh]
CSCAGLIONE folds
Action Bet folds
harvey261 folds
ABSOLUTDON calls 60
affenarschgeil raises to 180
tsktsk folds
samloomis13 folds
ChipnaChrrrr raises to 660
jeb326 folds
ABSOLUTDON raises to 1,140
affenarschgeil has 15 seconds left to act
tsktsk has returned
affenarschgeil is sitting out
affenarschgeil has timed out
affenarschgeil folds

[erocplayer]

all that the limp/4bet means is that the villian either:
a)THINKS he has a good hand (not necessarily the best hand, just a good hand)
or
b)thinks "oh man, I like my hand and want to play it but can't just call. oh well, might as well get it in." i see 55-99 and QJ/KJ/KQ play their hands poorly like this quite often.

if he's as aggressive as he is loose, instacall b/c it's probably a 50/50 or something and the pot is paying you good for sucha situation.

-eroc

[DesertCat]

but he didn't push. If he was weak why didn't he?

[SuperUberBob]

I dislike calling as it puts in more than half your stack in preflop. I hate shoving because you're only called by JJ+ and AK (maybe AQ).

What do you do if you call and get a flop with all undercards. I find it hard to believe that you're gonna fold here. And if you plan to do so, then you're basically jamming half your stack preflop for set value.

What if the flop is all high cards? Fold and leave half your stack in the pot? I don't like it. I probably shove preflop. If villain has a bigger pair, then so be it.

[benza13]

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all that the limp/4bet means is that the villian either:
a)THINKS he has a good hand (not necessarily the best hand, just a good hand)
or
b)thinks "oh man, I like my hand and want to play it but can't just call. oh well, might as well get it in." i see 55-99 and QJ/KJ/KQ play their hands poorly like this quite often.

if he's as aggressive as he is loose, instacall b/c it's probably a 50/50 or something and the pot is paying you good for sucha situation.

-eroc

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Villain was definitely not aggressive, he had been loose passive thus far.

[DesertCat]

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all that the limp/4bet means is that the villian either:
a)THINKS he has a good hand (not necessarily the best hand, just a good hand)
or
b)thinks "oh man, I like my hand and want to play it but can't just call. oh well, might as well get it in." i see 55-99 and QJ/KJ/KQ play their hands poorly like this quite often.

if he's as aggressive as he is loose, instacall b/c it's probably a 50/50 or something and the pot is paying you good for sucha situation.

-eroc

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Villain was definitely not aggressive, he had been loose passive thus far.

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Easy fold. He didn't even double the last bet, he reraised the minimum. He wants action. Of course, I'd call but I'm a donkey.