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Old 06-20-2007, 02:18 PM
grdred944 grdred944 is offline
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

There is enough blame to go around but replacing Jack will not solve anything.

Someone smarter than I labeled Harrah's "The Wal-Mart of Casinos." That is so true and much like the real Wal-Mart, people will continue to bend over and take whatever the monolith gives them.

Players have whined about nearly everything related to the Series yet day after day, line up and pay into this mess and oh, BTW, continue to stop in the restaurants, bars and most important, stop in the actual casino on their way out the door.

Continue to patronize and this is what you will continue to get. Harrah's is a monolith. What has this token players advisory board accomplished in three years? More toilets?

Keep whining and you will keep getting lip service. If the money goes away then problems will truly be addressed. But, that ain't going to happen because there are too many players involved and too many of them will tolerate the abuse since they can go back home and tell their friends that they played in a World Series event.
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Old 06-20-2007, 02:30 PM
NickMPK NickMPK is offline
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

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He sucks at people skills. He really knows very little about poker and poker players. He has no charisma. He is goofy looking.


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It sounds like he should be right at home with most poker players I've met.
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Old 06-20-2007, 02:34 PM
Alan Goehring Alan Goehring is offline
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

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I thought Goering and others had determined that the structure is slightly better this year. What's all the complaining about?

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I think Goering's post was about the $10K Main Event structure. I don't think he said anything about the eariler events.

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I never said anything about the limit events, as I don't play limit events now and didn't look at those structures. Two years ago the $5k limit holdem started at 25/25 while the $5k no-limit started at 25/50. I commented back then to someone on the WSOP advisory committee that it was a joke that limit events started "deeper" than no-limit. They completely agreed. So I think this has been a problem for some time----maybe it is even worse this year.

The $10k ME structure will be marginally worse in 2007, primarily because level #27 is missing (50/100k?). I am ASSUMING the FT will be two hour levels (the footnote on the structure sheet is a misprint, so the two hours is not confirmed).

I think there is an issue with the FT in prelim NL events. When I commented earlier I didn't know the level length at the final table had been shortened from 90 minutes to 60 minutes. Sorry for missing it if it was published at the time. I did know that a level would likely be "skipped" at the FT, but with the 90 minute levels and short-handed play I didn't think it would be a major issue----even though there is no good reason to skip a level at this point (broadcast? / cost? issues). The bigger problem is that with 60 mintue levels you are compressing 5 levels @ 90 mintues in 2006 down to 4 levels @ 60 minutes in 2007----which means about 35-40% less play at the FT.

Pre FT play has improved in prelim NL events----more play time for the average player and an extra level of play.

btw, I wouldn't be surprised if the structures were designed or explicitly approved by certain members of the player committee. Harrahs clearly planned to significantly reduce the time needed to play FT's in NL events, so I doubt they are surprised by what has happened.
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:25 PM
MyTurn2Raise MyTurn2Raise is offline
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

except Walmart competes with low prices...the same cannot be said of Harrah's
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:58 PM
GTL GTL is offline
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from the changes that were made, it seems pretty clear that Harrah's intended to shorten the final tables of the prelim events. That was the major change. The double stacks are generally to give the impression of a better structure early. To me, it is clear that Harrah's has a fairly good idea of what they are doing with the NL structures, and have chosen the structures to create shorter final tables in the prelim events. The question is, why?
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:12 PM
MaverickUSC MaverickUSC is offline
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

Yeah, please don't insult wal-mart like that. Harrah's is more like a shopping mall jewelry store than a wal-mart - catering to the average citizen, but raping them in the process.

The Riverside in Laughlin : Wal Mart of Casinos.

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Old 06-20-2007, 05:18 PM
FeliciaLee FeliciaLee is offline
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The Riverside in Laughlin : Wal Mart of Casinos.

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Aw, come on, Bryan. Don't be so generous to my home cardroom. People might get the wrong impression that RS is a nice, decent, respectable place [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: Fire Jack Effel Now!!!!

I would not Fire Jack Effel; I would suggest that he may be more capable as a dealer. After all he was a dealer a few years ago. Howard are you reading this.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:14 AM
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<font color="red"> </font> Obviously, you all are bitter because you were not selected to work this year’s WSOP.

For all of you idiots that call Jack Effel incompetent, let me give you a little insight to his poker knowledge and experience…….In 1997 he started working for Sams Town Tunica as a dealer, two months later he was promoted to a dual rate supervisor position. Late November 1997 he took a position at Horseshoe Bossier City as a Poker Shift Manager, and he remained working there in that position until January 2000. He then transferred to Horseshoe Tunica that same month, so that he could attend college. He took a position as a dual rate supervisor, and continued to work full time, and attend college full time! In December 2004 Jack graduated from OLE MISS with honors “Cum Laude”, and began running tournaments at Horseshoe Tunica.
In January 2005, Jack worked the WPO Event in Tunica. Upon the completion of the WPO, Jack was given the opportunity to travel with the WSOP Circuit, and after 4 successful events, he was appointed Assistant Tournament Director for the 2005 WSOP. After the 2005 WSOP, Jack continued to travel with the WSOP Circuit as Co-Director. In February 2006, Jack was promoted to Poker Room Manager at Horseshoe Tunica. In May 2006 Jack was appointed Corporate Director of Poker Operations for Harrah’s Entertainment, and he relocated to Las Vegas, Nevada. During Jacks tenure as Corp. Director of Poker Ops for HET, he also served as Co-Director for the 2006 WSOP, and at the completion of the 2006 WSOP, Jack was put in charge of all Tournament Operations for the 2007 WSOP.

So, for all of you A-HOLES!!!, who think Jack Effel isn’t experienced enough to run the largest Poker Tournament in the World, you better guess again, because he has more talent, and is more experienced than anyone else in the Business. Don’t hate Jack just because he is smart and talented, and has moved up the corporate ladder faster than you!

BTW, Jack has been a full-time employee of Horseshoe and Harrah's Entertainment for the past 10 years! Not a Temp!!!
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:23 AM
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<font color="red"> </font> Obviously, you all are bitter because you were not selected to work this year’s WSOP.

For all of you idiots that call Jack Effel incompetent, let me give you a little insight to his poker knowledge and experience…….In 1997 he started working for Sams Town Tunica as a dealer, two months later he was promoted to a dual rate supervisor position. Late November 1997 he took a position at Horseshoe Bossier City as a Poker Shift Manager, and he remained working there in that position until January 2000. He then transferred to Horseshoe Tunica that same month, so that he could attend college. He took a position as a dual rate supervisor, and continued to work full time, and attend college full time! In December 2004 Jack graduated from OLE MISS with honors “Cum Laude”, and began running tournaments at Horseshoe Tunica.
In January 2005, Jack worked the WPO Event in Tunica. Upon the completion of the WPO, Jack was given the opportunity to travel with the WSOP Circuit, and after 4 successful events, he was appointed Assistant Tournament Director for the 2005 WSOP. After the 2005 WSOP, Jack continued to travel with the WSOP Circuit as Co-Director. In February 2006, Jack was promoted to Poker Room Manager at Horseshoe Tunica. In May 2006 Jack was appointed Corporate Director of Poker Operation for Harrah’s Entertainment, and he relocated to Las Vegas, Nevada. During Jacks tenure as Corp. Director of Poker Ops for HET, he also served as Co-Director for the 2006 WSOP, and at the completion of the 2006 WSOP, Jack was put in charge of all Tournament Operations for the 2007 WSOP.

So, for all of you A-HOLES!!!, who think Jack Effel isn’t experienced enough to run the largest Poker Tournament in the World, you better guess again, because he has more talent, and is more experienced than anyone else in the Business. Don’t hate Jack just because he is smart and talented, and has moved up the corporate ladder faster than you!

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