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KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
Every street is debatable in my opinion. Thought it would be an interesting hand to discuss. The table was loose and aggressive pf (1 raise, 5-6 people to the flop), somewhat passive postflop
UTG+1 raises first in. He is a decent player(textbook TAG) and definatly a winner. I call, since 6 people likely come to the flop with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. One moronic guy joins us in late position, sb calls, the bb threebangs, and everyone calls. The bigblind is a loser. He does not know what is going on in most hands. He is not standard loose-passive though. We see the flop of J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in a 15 sb pot 5 handed. The sb and the bb (threebetter pf) check, UTG+1( original raiser) raises. I call with my gutter and backdoor flushdraw, moron calls, sb folds, bb raises, and we all call. The turn is J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for 11.5 bb bb bets, UTG+1 raises, I call with my flushdraw and gutter, moron folds, bb threebets, UTG+1 caps it and I fold. It really felt yucky to call-fold in this spot. Do you fold the first time? The second time? Do you peel the flop? |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
fold the flop please
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
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fold the flop please [/ QUOTE ] I agree with the BBB here. The problem with this flop is that your gut shot, and possibly flush outs, may not be good. Paired paint boards with this kind of PF action spell trouble for non-nut holdings IMO. Also, the flop check after the 3-bet PF by BB is highly suspect, especially given your description of BB. On-line, that's frequently a poorly played monster or a monster draw (KcQc). And lastly, you said the table had been somewhat passive post-flop. Seems like a couple of guys have "woke up" here. |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
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[ QUOTE ] fold the flop please [/ QUOTE ] I agree with the BBB here. The problem with this flop is that your gut shot, and possibly flush outs, may not be good. Paired paint boards with this kind of PF action spell trouble for non-nut holdings IMO. Also, the flop check after the 3-bet PF by BB is highly suspect, especially given your description of BB. On-line, that's frequently a poorly played monster or a monster draw (KcQc). And lastly, you said the table had been somewhat passive post-flop. Seems like a couple of guys have "woke up" here. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
Is coming into this hand with a raise out of the question here?
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
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fold preflop please [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
Your description of UTG+1 should make your PF decisions fairly easy.
You consider changing seats if possible? |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
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UTG+1 raises first in. He is a decent player(textbook TAG) and definatly a winner. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about you, but my hand range becomes pretty narrow on an aggressive table when step A happens. You have several options, I normally go with the two card pitch, but pushing the cards slightly forward and removing your marker works just as well. |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
BadBigBabar,
You fold the first or the second time on the flop? I thought it reasonable to put the original raiser on an A, and bb on some pair that didn't hit the flop, therefore he checked. You really fold getting 1-16? Slavic: Of course I would fold if I didn't expect 6 people to be in the hand with me. I don't think I am that bad in this spot though: Hands: Combo's Equity ATs+, AJ+, TT+ 82 27.2% KhQh 1 21.9% ** 1326 12.7% ** 1326 12.7% ** 1326 12.8% ** 1326 12.7% |
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Re: KQs UTG+2, every street debatable
Wow, trying to hit the backdoor flush here is going to cost you most likely at least 2 bets on the flop and 2 on the turn judging from preflop action. Also you could be (and were) drawing dead here a lot of the time. Youre already dead to AA, JJ, AJ, and if you hit your straight you're still losing to JT.
I don't think the preflop call is horrible really, but judging from the responses of other, more experienced players apparently it is and I'll have to reevaluate myplay of suited broadway in future sessions. |
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