$16 when do i fold my QQ overpair

kozip · #1 06-04-2007, 01:07 PM

16$ buyin, villian ist unknown 2%ROI player

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1740)
MP2 (t1140)
MP3 (t1600)
CO (t1470)
Hero (t1470)
SB (t1660)
BB (t1430)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t80, SB calls t70, BB folds

Flop: (t180) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, SB calls t120

with QQ in my pocket i like this board. i valuebet and i protect here against any kind of daws (one pair drawing to two pairs or trips, low connected cards drwaing to a straight)

Turn: (t420) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t280, SB calls t280

i dont like this turn, as it makes straights possible, but i think i have to valuebet and to protect my overpair here. so i dont check behind but bet 2/3 pot

River: (t980) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1180 (All-in), Hero folds

this low card, pairing the board ist terrible. the straight has arrived on the turn, now the trips has come. can i call this river-donk bet?

Kevin8423 · #2 06-04-2007, 01:24 PM

I probably still call the river, but if I were to have played this I would possibly have bet more on the flop, like 150, and definitley more on the turn, around 3/4 of the pot, and therefore would never be folding a river card with the much smaller amount of our stacks left on the river.

sence25 · #3 06-04-2007, 01:31 PM

I don't see a big difference between 120 and 150 on the flop, but I stick with you when it comes to a bigger turnbet like 350-380.

Kevin8423 · #4 06-04-2007, 01:35 PM

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I don't see a big difference between 120 and 150 on the flop, but I stick with you when it comes to a bigger turnbet like 350-380.

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Not that much different, but then its 30 more on the flop, and 50 more on the turn or so. I just like to keep it expensive for any trash hands they might have but yeah its probably about the same.

AMT · #5 06-04-2007, 01:41 PM

your goal should be to stack off here and maximize. that said: bet more everywhere.

140+ on the flop
350+ at least on the turn.
call river at that point, or shove when he checks to you.

ManChild · #6 06-04-2007, 02:06 PM

this river fold sucks. this is a really easy call. and if he checks to you then you should be shoving here

Guthrie · #7 06-04-2007, 02:08 PM

I'd pot the flop and push the turn. That way at least I'd have the satisfaction of getting my money in with the best hand before his A7 hits trips on the river.

Hercules · #8 06-04-2007, 02:30 PM

16$ and not vs spacegravvy and you are FOLDING AN OVERPAIR on such a non-scary board?!?!
The last 7 made 77 even less likely.
Villain could be "valueshoving" a AT/KT type of hands. Maybe even JJ...

Bruut99 · #9 06-04-2007, 02:33 PM

Played fine. Maybe bet a little more on the turn (~350). Call this river. Don't be scared of the straightdraw, very small chance he is holding a 6 after a 4x BB raise. I play the $16 regular and i do fine. Villain has a 10 here 85% of the time imo.

AMT · #10 06-04-2007, 02:41 PM

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Maybe bet a little more on the turn (~350).

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i need to stress that the bet amount as played compared to 350 is a BIG difference.