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Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
i'd say i agree with close to 100% percent of her views expressed in this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7ZSzvVBGo |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
Nice link.
I don't think it's a matter of "admitting." I think Sklansky is pretty brutally honest about what he thinks. I don't see how he disagrees with anything she said about altruism; for whatever reasons though, I'm pretty sure DS doesn't philosophically care about the role of government. He probably takes it for what it is, and cares more about practical solutions to problems. |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
Sklansky's views seem very Objectivist to me if I had to guess, but I think he would honestly answer a question like this if presented to him. Also, if I had to guess, the reason why so many don't understand his moral compass is because they either aren't objectivists or aren't familiar with objectivist thought/philosophy.
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
First nit point, I would say Sklansky thinks similarly to Rand and not the other way around [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Second, as a preemptive strike on the haters (preemptive strikes being something that followers of Rand fully support to my knowledge) the broad strokes of Rand's philosophy is pretty inoffensive are almost universally followed by the average joe. She gets a really bad rap because his books aren't that well written (though the underlying claims are compelling). People don't actually act altruistic, rather their Utility function factors in the utility of other people and thus often increase other people's utility in an effort to maximize their own. this is why i take out the trash when my roommate is sick, we both want the trash out, we both rather have someone else do it in a vacuum, but the guy is sick and i care about his welfare and i would like to take some burden off his shoulders because frankly that would make me happy. |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
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i care about his welfare [/ QUOTE ] This is the piece of the pie that we all know is true but the utility people can't swallow. |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
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[ QUOTE ] i care about his welfare [/ QUOTE ] This is the piece of the pie that we all know is true but the utility people can't swallow. [/ QUOTE ] i would disagree. i have read a couple of articles by Economists that basically were entirely about interdependent utility functions. Economists like to 'raid' other social sciences and i have certainly heard some talk about altruism in this sense of a person really just acting in a self interested manner that incidentally (wrong word choice obviously but i can't think of anything better) helps other people. "there is always a quid pro quo" |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
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[ QUOTE ] i care about his welfare [/ QUOTE ] This is the piece of the pie that we all know is true but the utility people can't swallow. [/ QUOTE ] Sure some struggle to realise it, but once you recognise that one of the things that matters to us is the wellbeing of others then its sorted. but we don't let the fact its sorted stop us disagreeing about it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] The only problem left is whether utility is ordered and so whether it makes sense to talk about maximising it. chez |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
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Second, as a preemptive strike on the haters (preemptive strikes being something that followers of Rand fully support to my knowledge) [/ QUOTE ] Whoa, re-read Rand please. Your knowledge is lacking. [ QUOTE ] the broad strokes of Rand's philosophy is pretty inoffensive are almost universally followed by the average joe. She gets a really bad rap because his books aren't that well written (though the underlying claims are compelling). [/ QUOTE ] Are you confusing Ayn Rand with someone else? Ayn Rand is a female. [ QUOTE ] this is why i take out the trash when my roommate is sick, we both want the trash out, we both rather have someone else do it in a vacuum, but the guy is sick and i care about his welfare and i would like to take some burden off his shoulders because frankly that would make me happy. [/ QUOTE ] Watch the video. Follow [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
Wow, my eyes are buggy and head is spinning reading this thread. I think very few of you have actually read Rand before talking about the subject...
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Re: Ayn Rand thinks Similarly to Sklansky?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Second, as a preemptive strike on the haters (preemptive strikes being something that followers of Rand fully support to my knowledge) [/ QUOTE ] Whoa, re-read Rand please. Your knowledge is lacking. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] ZOMG i am getting called out (and i intended to post from a sympathetic position in the first place!), i am going to have to go do some digging. I remember specifically reading that Rand believes that defending corporate interests can be just cause for war. kind of like how she says america shouldn't have allowed these countries to nationalize their oil production. i guess objectivists wouldn't consider that a truly preemptive strike, since its a violent retaliation after harm (but not really violent harm) has been imposed on a country. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the broad strokes of Rand's philosophy is pretty inoffensive are almost universally followed by the average joe. She gets a really bad rap because his books aren't that well written (though the underlying claims are compelling). [/ QUOTE ] Are you confusing Ayn Rand with someone else? Ayn Rand is a female. [/ QUOTE ] So i am a border-line dyslexic retard, i make dumb mistakes with grammar all the time, particularly when i am multitasking when posting. so if you are a grammar nit, just call me an idiot and move on i guess. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is why i take out the trash when my roommate is sick, we both want the trash out, we both rather have someone else do it in a vacuum, but the guy is sick and i care about his welfare and i would like to take some burden off his shoulders because frankly that would make me happy. [/ QUOTE ] Watch the video. Follow [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]done. |
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