WA/WB?

[akak]

No reads.

Ultimate Bet
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.02./$0.04
7 players
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Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Results:
Final pot: 3.75BB

[MrWookie]

I voted retard, but really, it's just that you have a lot to learn about poker. If you're serious about getting better, do this for me: put MP1 on a range of hands that he might play this way. Yes, actually list them all. Better yet, start out by estimating his preflop range, then list the subset of those hands that would call your flop bet. If you want to be good, you MUST be able to have this skill. You won't be able to do it in full detail at game time, but by working through it many times on the forums, you'll be able to estimate it faster and more accurately at game time.

If any other n00bs want to step in and do this, this challenge is open to anyone.

[inferno]

I dont think you can be way ahead here

[nerdking]

is it way behind when you're losing this pot 99.99999% of the time?

[Zeldark]

This board is too messy to think WA/WB. There are lots of hands that are drawing and could be slightly ahead/behind. Flushes, straights, 2 pairs, Aces with lower kickers, aces with the higher kicker, lower pairs waiting to spike their kicker. There's a lot that can be going on that's not WA/WB.

I think a prestine example of "WA/WB" is something like holding AA with a TT527 rainbow board. For the most part, they either have a T or they lose. WA/WB. The current hand isn't remotely that clean. I didn't vote yes.

[whoshotfirst]

Isn't WA/WB only for situations with one or two cards still to come? So like TT5, instead of TT527?

[nerdking]

now that i actually LOOK at the hand, turn and river play are standard. river isn't even a value bet as the only thing calling/raising us has us beat.

[Zeldark]

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Isn't WA/WB only for situations with one or two cards still to come? So like TT5, instead of TT527?

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What do you think WA/WB stands for? One or 2 cards still to come? Wouldn't that make every flop or turn ever WA/WB?

[bung]

[ QUOTE ]
No reads.

Ultimate Bet
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.02./$0.04
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Results:
Final pot: 3.75BB

[/ QUOTE ]

c-bet fold that turn. If called, c/f the river, you tried your best.

[whoshotfirst]

If I understand correctly WA/WB situations, are those spots where:
- we ave a hand too strong to fold, but not strong enough to raise
- usually HU, where we don't have to worry about making people with weak draws fold
- viallin will bet weaker hands, but is rather likely to fold them if we raise
- we are better of playing passsively, b/c we won't get vallue out of the hands we beat, but will get milked by hands we are behind against
- whoever is behind, is drawing to 2/3-outs
So I think the answer to your question is no.