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Old 09-19-2007, 09:36 PM
Marc Desjardins Marc Desjardins is offline
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Default NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

I'm just coming out of a bad downswing. I've been reading a lot here and watching videos on cardrunners. I read many Pokey post and I'm trying to play a little less agressive preflop. I limp small pocket pair in EP now instead of always raising. I'm also trying limping suited aces in EP instead of folding. Basically, I want to play more smaller pots and hope to hit big.

So, this brings me to this hand. Vilain is 36, 8, 1.69 in 75 hands. He started very loose, won some big pots by sucking out but he's been losing it all back and he plays tighter now.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $3.25
BB: $24.15
Hero (UTG): $33.70
CO: $25.30
BTN: $27.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero calls $0.25, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.50</font>, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($2.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.55</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $3.10</font>, 3 folds, Hero...

I think one big leak I use to have was not pushing hard with multi-draws on the flop. But I still have a hard time pulling the trigger in those situations.

What's my line here and why?

Thanks in advance
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

raise all pocket pairs
don't limp
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

bet all the chips
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

I open with this hand UTG and then try and get it in the flop.

limping this had UTG is -EV long run.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

I don't like opening with Axs UTG, at least not all the time.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

I fold preflop usually FWIW.

That said, there is no clear right or wrong way to play this hand preflop. It depends on the table. If you have several very loose passive callstations behind you, who calls way to much preflop and on the flop, limping with speculative hands in EP may be the way to go.

Note that you wont get much respek from your 2p2 smartLAG peers when you do it though.
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Old 09-19-2007, 10:11 PM
Marc Desjardins Marc Desjardins is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

I understand that limping Axs preflop might be -EV... I use to fold that all the time. And I might actually start doing it again.

But in this case, I'm mostly interested in the line I should take after the flop.

Thanks
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

so, no feedback on flop play? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:45 PM
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

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so, no feedback on flop play? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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i did give you feedbaack on flop play - bet all your chips
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:47 AM
Marc Desjardins Marc Desjardins is offline
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Default Re: NL 25 6-max: flush draw + gutshot, how agressive should I be?

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i did give you feedbaack on flop play - bet all your chips

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Yes, thanks. But if I go all in for about 20$ more, it's a huge overbet. Am I not giving up just a too much fold equity in there? How deep or how short do we have to be for this shove to be the right/wrong play? Or maybe stack size is irrelevant, it's always a good play since if he calls, it's probably 50-50 or close to it?

I know I have to be agressive in those situations, but I'm trying to understand why.

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