SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)

[Imrahil]

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blah down $1000 in like 700 hands of 1/2 and 2/4 today, just missing everything, get no cards and getting run over. Going shopping now to spend some serious cash...and then come back and earn some more at the tables. I might not make $30k on the month anymore [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I love spending money on losing days.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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Huh? You're never that happy hitting your A because you can't take a lot of heat, and having 9 as your TP is even uglier. You're then counting on flopping your nut draw, and you'll have to either give up on a big pot or bluff a lot of rivers when you miss.

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the idea is that in a multiway pot you can win hudge monies with a flush - but obviously this will not happen very often, so you cannot afford to put a lot of money in pf (no calling pfrrs for example)

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Okay, we were talking about 2 different things, i was talking specifically about calling 3 bets with hands like that.

[Shizzle12345]

Yes... but he was really aiming for me with his 3bets, because i was playing pretty loose. Plus i had position, so A9 is ahead of his range. I mean, if you call with AJ why not with A9? I think im pretty happy with that hand since the 44 hand happened like 12 minutes earlier, and entire gtable was commenting how i was a station. (please get out of this discussion if you never call 3bets with AJ ip from heavy squeezer).

[Daddy Warbucks]

It's not about being ahead of his range, its about playing postflop and not having betting initiative. You're really only thinking on one street.

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(please get out of this discussion if you never call 3bets with AJ ip from heavy squeezer).

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You say this like its a bad thing.

[Shizzle12345]

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It's not about being ahead of his range, its about playing postflop and not having betting initiative. You're really only thinking on one street.

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(please get out of this discussion if you never call 3bets with AJ ip from heavy squeezer).

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You say this like its a bad thing.

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Its not a bad thing, its just a different style of play. And if you never do it, dont come here saying its bad or something. If you play 19/16 you will rarely be 3bet alot in the first place so you never get in those spots in the first place.

The thing is, i have position postflop, this guy is pretty nitty, but does weird stuff once in a while so i liked my hand enough to see a flop with it. And he has been 3betting me a ton preflop on all tables. The board was pretty draw heavy too, so i think flush draws are a pretty big part of his range?

[Daddy Warbucks]

AJ and similar hands have reverse implied odds in 3 bet pots. If you can disagree with this, please explain why.

You're also trying to take a suited Ace rag against a nitty player. You just never flop big enough for this to be a profitable call.

[Shizzle12345]

yes they are bluffcatchers, what hand would you take a stand with then? I dont like 4betting much vs this guy.. A9 seems a good hand to try and take the pot away postflop. He doesnt cbet alot so if he checks i can take it down, or in this catch play it as a bluffcatcher?

And again, this was prolly the 7th or 8th time that he did this in like 10-15 minutes.

Hmm i think i like 4betting him with some trash hand better. hate to do it with a hand like A9.

[carrotsnake]

reverse implied odds are hugely overrated imo [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], especially in 3 bet pooooots.

[Daddy Warbucks]

So if an A flops and he c-bets, do you fold?

And if somebody is 3 betting me that light, my 4 betting range goes way way wider. Your hand really isn't important.

What site was this btw?

[spivey]

If I call a 3 bet IP with AJ and an A flops, I'm planning to get the monies in.