TPTK with 3 flush board 4/180

Brandonjp13 · #1 11-05-2007, 12:34 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t2410)
UTG (t2055)
UTG+1 (t705)
MP1 (t970)
MP2 (t4480)
MP3 (t900)
Hero (t1230)
Button (t2745)
SB (t3795)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, Hero calls t50, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t275) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets t100, MP3 calls t100, Hero ??

As I see it I don't really have the option to call. It's ethier fold or shove right? Maybe I should have raised preflop but the field wouldn't have been thinned much as most of these players are the "Have to see a flop" kind and I didn't want to put myself in an akward spot where my stack sucks against the size of the pot. Does anyone actaully find a fold or call here? If so why?

brad2002tj · #2 11-05-2007, 12:54 PM

Fold pre-flop.

As played, fold or push flop.

WJL · #3 11-05-2007, 05:42 PM

Would you really fold this against a bunch of limpers in this position? I guess with stack sizes being what they are, the hand isn't really as strong as we'd like to have to push PF, but any other bet size is ugly. Your stack really isn't big enough to speculate with this. Let this one go and wait for a better spot. M=~16, it's too early to be this desperate.

tomek322 · #4 11-05-2007, 07:35 PM

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Would you really fold this against a bunch of limpers in this position?

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I would raise it usually. If I did limp I wouldn't look to stack of in this spot in a multi way limped pot. If we are limping this I imagine this isn't the flop we are looking for to get our money in on.

jchauvin · #5 11-05-2007, 07:37 PM

raise/fold preflop. ATo is not a hand to be played in a multiway pot. if i raised preflop i'd make it pretty big, like 400, leaving a PSB in your stack so you can push any flop.

push flop.

pped5700 · #6 11-05-2007, 09:11 PM

fold at every opportunity given. Pushing this flop blows.

Bond18 · #7 11-05-2007, 09:21 PM

DON'T fold pre. With a bit deeper stacks this is an easy raise. Even as it is i think i might make it 400 pre and jam about any flop.

pped5700 · #8 11-05-2007, 09:29 PM

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DON'T fold pre. With a bit deeper stacks this is an easy raise. Even as it is i think i might make it 400 pre and jam about any flop.

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level?

Brandonjp13 · #9 11-05-2007, 10:00 PM

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DON'T fold pre. With a bit deeper stacks this is an easy raise. Even as it is i think i might make it 400 pre and jam about any flop.

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level?

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I sure hope not, Bond could really F some people up leveling in this forum.

pped5700 · #10 11-05-2007, 10:15 PM

Shoving this flop, just gives multiple opponents with draw heavy distributions, maximum equity out of their hand from flop-river; or they already have us crushed IMO; when they call a shove. By calling, and getting any multi/draw hands to a turn, they lose 1/3 of their equity. This flop is a little bit of an alien problem anyway, because getting here in a limped pot w/ ATo is almost never good. Id feel better raising ATs PrF, because of the combo/draw potential on the flop, with position. It would be pretty table dependent, but for the most part, raising ATo PrF in this spot, seems like burning chips to me.