100NL - JJ utg to a repop

pureCra2z · #1 11-09-2007, 07:37 PM

either fold pf or stack off on the flop given effective stacks are only 50BB. I would fold pf this shallow, but i'm a 14/9 nit. I sometimes 4 bet pf if stacks > 150BB

spence79 · #2 11-09-2007, 07:46 PM

people seem to 2 and 3 barrel bluff and bet very thin for value (checking turn behind for pot control looks very rare) a lot at 100NL so I flat-called the flop to open up his range, if he bets the turn a lot wide this has to be better than shipping flop and drawing to 2 outs when called? Or am I wrong?

Thanks for the replies. Folding pre felt weak, but getting repopped when I have 99-QQ and stacking off on favourable flops to AA/KK is my major money loser so I wanted to see if it was a real leak or just illusory.

(Also am I supposed to include effective stacks in OP? if so then oops - i'll remember next time)

RapidEvolution · #3 11-09-2007, 07:47 PM

I think I'm folding here preflop. No odds to mine and my guess is that we're behind villain's 3bet range, AND calling leaves us OOP. JJ is fast becoming one of those hands I really hate having UTG. lol

PokerFun007 · #4 11-09-2007, 08:03 PM

I think the decision about this hand must be made pre-flop when the bb raises. You either push because you think you're in a coin flip or better, or you fold because you think you're up against a better pocket pair.

RapidEvolution · #5 11-09-2007, 08:14 PM

Including effectives isn't mandatory, but it's nice. (I should do this too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) I've given serious thought to open-limping hands like 99/TT/JJ because when they're 3bet, you're usually either folding or calling and left in a crappy spot OOP with an SPR that's more favorable to the villain's 3bet range than it is for you. If you limp and call a raise, you have implied odds to set mine and create a bad SPR for overpair/TP hands. I think you also get more FE on dangerous flops, but I could be off on that.

The Rat Pack · #6 11-09-2007, 08:19 PM

I fold preflop unless I have stats or notes on the villian. Your UTG raise signals big strength and the unknown villian shows no real fear of it. Your beating AK and thats bout it. I think a fold is fine preflop, since the stacks are to small to set mine.