Official Full Tilt Poker Response to Bot Thread

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1) It's pretty friggin hard for FT to ban 100k hand/mo users unless they know for certain that something "illegal" is going on. [censored], after all of that overwhelming evidence that SukitTrebek presented, and all the analysis done by dozens of quality sleuthing and poker experts, even WE don't even for certain. It's all speculation. Allow FT the time to conduct this "further investigation" using this new evidence and stop jumping down their throats.

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I couldn't disagree more with this. The guy said himself they take bots very seriously. He also said they were unable to conclude if it was a bot or human player.

I guess "We take bots very seriously" should be amended to "We take bots very seriously, just not as seriously as we take our rake".

[orentha]

even Party Poker does a better job than this...

how embarrassing for FT

FT has probably just lost all credibility, I just hope the business they lose is substantial enough for them to revisit their policies, but probalby not... it never is

[cardcounter0]

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A month from now, I really don't feel like reading complaints about how they don't come here anymore.


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If that happens, I can give the complainers a link to a corporate-speak-gibberish generator, so they can get their full dose of FTP GEORGE PAUL AND RINGO.

Here is a sample:

"Yes, we understand your concern with the missing FTP REP posts. We are working on a solution to this issue. Just this morning a meeting of all the high decision makers was held. Possible avenues of a seamless approach to solve this important issue were explored in detail. We will be sure to keep you up to date with any important developments as soon as possible. Thank you for your continued patience."

[AaronL]

First off, I've read all of the original thread and this thread and this is my first post in response...

Along with playing poker online I've also played successfully at many sportsbooks and casinos... As anyone who has any success in those areas know these companies very frequently give the boot to undesirable players... If you investigation's results came back as inconclusive wouldn't the better response have been to give these players their money back and show them the door?

... Oh but I forgot that these are very high volume "players" (the term player has to be used very loosely in this case of course) and by showing them the door you would have, of course, cost your site alot of money (At least till the public caught wind of their and your actions)... Well at least now we all know (or at the least the 2+2 community anyhow) that if we choose to play at your site we are playing against potential bots (or at least their human exquivelent)...

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If not bots, then it cannot be anything other then multi-accounting. One player gives the shots, the others just push the buttons.
Just another ZeeJustin variant.


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<font color="red">NO NO NO NO NO!</font>

The outrage with ZeeJustin was that he as times was sat at the same tables as himself, unavoidably sharing hole card information therefore colluding with himself (despite opening extra SNGs to "depreciate the advantage")

There is no issue with people playing a set strategy if they are not colluding!

The only advantage these swetshop players have is reduced tilt / increased reads via volume of others in addition to ther own play - similar to that gained from coaching / sweating / reading "official regulars" threads.


The danger of botting is that a bot can play unattended / multiply limited only by CPU power- if there is a real human carrying out a predefined strategy flawlessly, THIS IS NOT A BOT - THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM - THIS IS NOT UNETHICAL!

That is, if there is a human actually confirming each and every action. FTP concludes this is the case... do we have ANY conclusive evidence to the contrary?

[NLfool]

With FTP's HH and resources they can surely determine if they are bots or not.

1) Have they ever timed out?
2) How long have they played without taking breaks?

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Well at least now we all know (or at the least the 2+2 community anyhow) that if we choose to play at your site we are playing against potential bots (or at least their human equivalent)...

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Indeed... but WTF is the problem in playing against the "human equivalent"? The problem of bots is not their stategic play - it is their lack of human... why would there be any objection to playing against a bot-like human?

I fail to understand this so-called problem... oh noes! a predictable nit?

[ibluffoldladies]

Was this guy, I forget his name, actually sponsored by Full Tilt in the WSOP? I saw a picture of him with full tilt clothing on. If he was, the plot thickens with this story.

[BigF]

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If not bots, then it cannot be anything other then multi-accounting. One player gives the shots, the others just push the buttons.
Just another ZeeJustin variant.


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Listen to yourself. Do you think you make any sense at all?

[Viscant]

It seems everyone's in favor of "innocent until proven guilty" until they realize what it means.

I read through the whole previous thread and while I feel (fairly strongly) that this is a team of bots, I don't think there's any damning evidence. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence and a lot of coincidences, but nothing for sure.

I think poker sites should seriously consider banning PT and it's equivalents. Without a way of tracking and collecting data, it's impossible for bots to operate. Also this would make it much easier to detect people who are cheating since they'll have to be tracking statistics somehow.
I know this will piss off all the HUDbots who depend on PT for their livelihood, but I think that as botting becomes more sophisticated and better, I think it's something we're going to have to live with.