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Old 08-19-2007, 03:21 PM
Sciolist Sciolist is offline
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Default $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

This is right, yes? No history/stats on opponent.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $234.10
BB: $246.15
UTG: $336.75
MP: $217.85
CO: $207.00
BTN: $208.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $16.00

Flop: ($48) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $30.00</font>, Hero calls $30.00

River: ($108) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Pot Size: $108.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

um, why no c-bet?
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

I usually bet turn when the flop gets checked through like this.
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

ye.. if u dont want to cb. at least bet the turn
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

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um, why no c-bet?

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Because next to nothing I beat calls, and lots of hands that beat me will go for a check raise. I didn't bet the turn for the same reason, nothing changed. I can see an argument for raising turn because of the flush draw though.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

you have to call on the turn and river after having shown so much weakness. you should feel lucky you got to showdown
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:47 PM
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against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

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Why? What do you think his range is? What do you think is folding, and what do you think is calling?
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

protect your equity, you have no idea of his bluffing frequencies.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:16 PM
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against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

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Why? What do you think his range is? What do you think is folding, and what do you think is calling?

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people call 3bets with many strange things, against unkowns you bet so they know you mean business. you probably have the best hand, you don't want to give free cards, you want to know where you are at.

i estimate the other guy folding about 70%+ of the time.

it is true that you won't get much value out of hands you beat, but value betting isn't the only reason to bet.

also great for meta, they should know that if they call a 3bet, they have to commit there whole stack
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?

I usually cbet the flop here, but not always. Probably against an unknown I am betting this flop frequently though. However, I think your turn call is fine. If I was villian I would be betting the turn in position after your check/check every time with any two. So, the call is fine. Just be aware that as villian I would fire on the river too pretty frequently for a close to psb.

Do you call the river if a non diamond J,K,A falls?
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