QQ cr on the flop....

ejay · #1 01-25-2007, 11:05 AM

villan is 24/12 over 600. I know i have a lot of $ in the pot but when i get cr like this i am almost always screwed. The fd on the board makes this closer but do villans play fd like this?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $106.77
UTG+1: $189
CO: $141.40
Hero: $233.55
SB: $520.42
BB: $259.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($31, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $50, Hero raises to $100, BB raises all-in $249.3, UTG calls all-in $46.77, Hero...

poppingit · #2 01-25-2007, 11:08 AM

Dont overbet the pot like on the flop. However the fact the he min raises your overbet leads me to believe that your hand is toast. A FD will not raise and overbet like this imo and you are behind enough to fold this on the flop quite easily. Excpet to see AA or a set most of the time after bb cold calls your raise pre.

SABR42 · #3 01-25-2007, 11:09 AM

UTG leads for $50 into a pot of $30? Wow, lol.

Your min-raise to isolate him basically announces a big pair, yet BB still shoves. I'd say this is a set like 90% of the time. I guess it could be 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but meh. I fold.

SABR42 · #4 01-25-2007, 11:12 AM

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Dont overbet the pot like on the flop. However the fact the he min raises your overbet leads me to believe that your hand is toast. A FD will not raise and overbet like this imo and you are behind enough to fold this on the flop quite easily. Excpet to see AA or a set most of the time after bb cold calls your raise pre.

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Mis-read.

jk3a · #5 01-25-2007, 11:12 AM

why did you minraise the overbet?

BarryLyndon · #6 01-25-2007, 11:12 AM

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Dont overbet the pot like on the flop. However the fact the he min raises your overbet leads me to believe that your hand is toast. A FD will not raise and overbet like this imo and you are behind enough to fold this on the flop quite easily. Excpet to see AA or a set most of the time after bb cold calls your raise pre.

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UTG overbet the flop, not hero.

Hero folds.

ejay · #7 01-25-2007, 11:14 AM

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why did you minraise the overbet?

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because i am an idiot.

Do you call or push (the flop)?

poppingit · #8 01-25-2007, 11:14 AM

sorry i totally misread this hand. cancel what i said above.

now that i have read it correctly you have a clear fold for the rest of your stack with that action. i also dont like that you have put half your stack in there after this guy has led with such a big overbet. I would be seriously considering folding the flop after his bet of $50.

ejay · #9 01-25-2007, 11:15 AM

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sorry i totally misread this hand. cancel what i said above.

now that i have read it correctly you have a clear fold for the rest of your stack with that action. i also dont like that you have put half your stack in there after this guy has led with such a big overbet. I would be seriously considering folding the flop after his bet of $50.

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Yea this guy was an idiot and i knew i was beating him, so i wanted to get him allin (which is what the minraise did)

SABR42 · #10 01-25-2007, 11:16 AM

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why did you minraise the overbet?

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because i am an idiot.

Do you call or push (the flop)?

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Just call. UTG's bet is so big that just calling it shows a lot of strength. Your goal is to get all-in versus UTG, and calling/raising accomplishes the same thing.

Calling saves you money in case the third guy raises.