can you beat the rake on small limit games

[PorkchopDJG]

I think if you are a decent/winning player at 1/2,2/4 LHE online you would be more comfortable playing in a 6/12,8/16 game live because the play will be similiar to what you are used to. So if you have a roll and can afford jumping in at that level I would do it.
I think to be a well rounded good player though you should learn how to play and win at these low limit loose/pasive games at well so some time spent there will be good for your overall game.
If your club offers 2/4, 3/6, 4/8 and up you might play once at 2/4 to see what it's like but I would move quickly to 3/6 or 4/8 if you can because of rake purposes.

[sternroolz]

It depends on the amount of the drop or rake. I was able to beat So cal $3-6 and $4-8 LHE games for a very long time for about 1BB an hour. But the drop at that time was $3 plus $1 for the jackpot. Then $4 drop, but no jackpot drop. So $4. I was very selective on games and played only in very loose games. As you can guess my variance was HUGE. I had wins as great as 5 racks or more($500) on at least 10 occasions over a 3 year period and losses up to $500(my threshold of misery at the time).

Now the drop is $6.....$1 if no flop(which never happens if the game is decent), $3 on the flop, $1 on the river, and $1 jackpot. I'm thoroughly convinced that this game with the increased rake is no longer a beatable game at $3-6 and might be break even at $4-8.

I'm not sure about how a raked, tight game, is considered. I would think it might be beatable if the players are overly tight postflop and can be bluffed out of pots.

[bellatrix]

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Now the drop is $6.....$1 if no flop(which never happens if the game is decent), $3 on the flop, $1 on the river, and $1 jackpot.

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Wow, that is huge! Where do you play? I'm sure there are plenty of places that still offer (3$+1$). I don't think I could beat that.

[SplawnDarts]

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Now the drop is $6.....$1 if no flop(which never happens if the game is decent), $3 on the flop, $1 on the river, and $1 jackpot.

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Wow, that is huge! Where do you play? I'm sure there are plenty of places that still offer (3$+1$). I don't think I could beat that.

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I was giving one of the poker room managers from The Lodge in Colorado [censored] for his $6 weekend rake (4+2) on a thread a few days ago.

[AKQJ10]

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4/8 is the first beatable level, unless you're at least a mediocre player.

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[Frond]

4/8 & upwards for me then gents.

[AKQJ10]

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Do some of you agree that when you are starting out(to build up your bankroll that is) that one should play the very lowest limits available when playing live and then see if you do well for a sustained period before moving up at all? If your cardroom offers say LHE of 2-4, 3-6 and 4-8 and upwards, you have been playing for over a year or so on line and some live, forego the 2-4 for the rake & tips and jump right to 4-8 if you have the bank or do like online and stay at 2-4 until you feel that you can beat it comfortably?

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Your post is somewhat self-contradictory. You're not just starting out, except in B&M poker. If you have an established record of beating equally tough online games, say 25c/50c, you should be fine at $4/8 if you're rolled for it. If you feel that you're getting eaten alive by physical tells and the like you can always move down, but I don't think that will be a problem.

I was just making the point that the notion that $2/4 games are unbeatable is absurd. If you had no hold'em experience I'd say to start with the 2, but that's not your case.

(Incidentally I used to toke a lot of half-dollars in the Foxwoods 2, which isn't the same as not toking.)

[sternroolz]

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Now the drop is $6.....$1 if no flop(which never happens if the game is decent), $3 on the flop, $1 on the river, and $1 jackpot.

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Wow, that is huge! Where do you play? I'm sure there are plenty of places that still offer (3$+1$). I don't think I could beat that.

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I don't play it anymore, but the Commerce casino recently bumped their drop up to $1 pf, $3 on the flop plus $1 jackpot drop, and $1 more on the river. I am currently sticking to $8-16 and $15-30 at Hawaiian Gardens, $15-30 at HP, and $9-18 and $20-40 at Commerce.

I actually want to donk it up this weekend at Hustler $4-8, but probably won't because they increased the drop there too apparently. Maybe I'll try LL Omaha 8 at HP or Bike instead.

[Sailboats]

stern out of all those games which do you think is softest? and what time of the day do you usually play?

I have been thinking of playing more 9/18 or the 8/16 at the bike.

[csuf_gambl0o0r]

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Do some of you agree that when you are starting out(to build up your bankroll that is) that one should play the very lowest limits available when playing live and then see if you do well for a sustained period before moving up at all? If your cardroom offers say LHE of 2-4, 3-6 and 4-8 and upwards, you have been playing for over a year or so on line and some live, forego the 2-4 for the rake & tips and jump right to 4-8 if you have the bank or do like online and stay at 2-4 until you feel that you can beat it comfortably? Seems like lots say don'tbother with 2-4 live but for those who say this just how many hands and or hrs have you put in at live 2-4 to really tell? Are you simply going off of what others have said?

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go str8 to 8/16