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Old 09-02-2007, 02:32 AM
CasperW CasperW is offline
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Default Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

First hand:

Opponent is 18/16/3.5 over 200 hands and I don't have much history against him. Was my Flop decision right? What should I do on turn when he pushes?

No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $467.76
BB: $285.08
UTG: $277.20
Hero (CO): $649.80
BTN: $666.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $54.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $40.00

Flop: ($112) 4 K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $90.00</font>, Hero calls $90.00

Turn: ($292) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $323.76</font>,


Hero?

Second hand is a different opponent who's 24/16/2 over 400 hands
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $396.00
BB: $282.58
UTG: $271.20
Hero (CO): $1,133.16
BTN: $660.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt J K (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $48.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $34.00

Flop: ($102) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $72.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $208.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $612.70</font>,

Hero?
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:57 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

i'd fold preflop, call flop, and fold turn in the first one.

in the second one i'd fold preflop, and c/c flop and reevaluate. given your c/r, i guess i'd fold to his 3bet but feel gross.
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

Fold them both PF, especially the second where you're OOP. As played float the first one, fold to a turn bet. The second pretty much illustrates why you should have folded PF: your CR turns your hand into a bluff and just calling is pretty sick because he's going to double-barrel you frequently with better hands and draws.
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

call turn in hand 1, in the second hand don't raise the flop if you aren't comfortable getting it in
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:28 PM
danjohncochane danjohncochane is offline
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

These preflop calls are terrible.
Hand 1 - Fold turn
Hand 2 - Fold turn
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

ytf r u calling pf......sososoo bad without very specific reads
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

I would just stop playing so loose. This would make your post flop decisions a lot easier.
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:39 PM
CasperW CasperW is offline
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Default Re: Two KJs hands flopping top pair on raised pots. What to do?

Results:

Hand 1: I made the (dumb) call and Opp showed 87s (no flush draw) so I took it down.

Hand 2: I folded but on second thought I would have had to call 400 to win 900 which means I only have to be right 30% of the time. I guess I only beat a bluff.
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