2-5 NL Foxwoods. . . When in doubt, push??

[acrocentric]

2-5 NL Game at Foxwoods this afternoon -

The table has been very heavy on the action and the 2 villains in this hand have been supplying most of it.

Villain 1: An older asian gentleman, has been raising roughly 20% of his hands PF to either 15 or 20. He CB's almost every time with a 50 or 60 dollar bet. He has made some rediculously loose calls in the past hour - pot sized flop bets with bottom pair, and just recently a 125 bet on the river of a 4-flush board with TP no flush.

Villain 2: A huge calling station as well - generally plays very passively post flop but he may have made a nice move on a board showing 4 to a straight earlier (leading for 350 into the aggressor after the scare card hit - may have been a play, may have simply hit his draw).

Anyway neither of them have been playing too tricky up to this point and both have really big calling ranges.

I start the hand with just under 400 and they both cover.

Here's the hand:

Villain 2 limps in EP.

Hero is dealt Jh10h in MP. Calls 5.

2 more limpers, Villain 1 raises to 20 in BB,

Villain 2 calls,
Hero calls,
2 limpers call.

5 to the flop (~100)
A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain 1 leads for 60.

Villain 2 thinks for a minute and calls 60.

Hero calls 60.

2 other limpers fold.

Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks.

Hero has 298 left in stack, pot is now roughly 280.

Our move here??

[bagclip2007]

well i dont really like a flat push here because u prolly are only going to get called by a bigger flush, u have the 3rd nuts here, u could play this tricky, and check and let the aggressive guy bet the river and pop him, or bet the turn so that like the loan ace of hearts or queen has to pay to draw, i like betting 150 here give u value plus if u push u are most likely only getting called by a better hand, but u have to think back to the crazy calls uve seen this guy make and remember the betting to see what triggers him to make these calls.

[dankhank]

check or bet 100

[EgoSlasher]

2 value bets, 150 and 150.

[Rikethink]

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2 value bets, 150 and 150.

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Agreed...

[wdead]

145 on turn. rest in on river

[dchz]

anyone like a flop raise?

[isapistola]

isnt betting ½ of your stack a clear indication that youre getting it all in and make your hand very transparent?

[EgoSlasher]

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isnt betting ½ of your stack a clear indication that youre getting it all in and make your hand very transparent?

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Not vs live donks, no. They aren't likely thinking about what your bets mean at all.

[ipokeder]

err isn't it better to do more like 120 on the turn and 180 on the river?