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Old 11-29-2007, 06:10 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default 600 NL flopped set.

Villain is 22/8 over 240 hands. He slowplays sometimes, including limp-reraising preflop. I'm running pretty LAG at this table.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($741.15)</font>
UTG+1 ($320.80)
MP1 ($781.50)
MP2 ($1116.95)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($606.30)</font>
CO ($588)
Button ($120)
SB ($605.40)
BB ($664.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $24, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, MP3 calls $40.

Turn: ($137) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $90</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $270</font>, MP3 calls $180.

River: ($677) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font> <font color="green">(he only has $272 left)</font>

<font color="blue"> Thoughts on all streets welcome. </font>
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

I think flop and river are pretty standard, so I'm mainly wondering about the turn.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

Why the turn CR?

I think you're toast after he calls it and I don't see how he folds the river with less than 1/2 pot behind. I guess he could have AxKh, so if you are calling anything--mine as well push.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

Why did you play the turn that way. I usually check/call the turn there, but I know that's pretty weak. I'm not saying your play is wrong, but why did you raise turn?
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:23 PM
UATrewqaz UATrewqaz is offline
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

I am a inexperienced (horrible) NL player but my thinking was pretty similiar (I was typing up a response but it sucked so I stopped).

Basically i think that preflop, flop, and river are all completely standard and fine.

The turn is the interesting street. You fired at the flop and it might have looked to him like a standard CBET. You're checking of the turn might appear to be weakness and it's also a possibility that the A hit him (AxKh totally came to my mind too). So it's not really a surprise that he bet at it, in fact it's pretty clear you wanted him to bet at it since you check raised.

The question is, did he call on the flop with a real hand or draw? Or was he just planning on trying to take the pot from you later since he had position and possibly a read on you?

I think as played it was very +EV in this situation most of the time. If he had a couple of hearts or made a straight on the river than so be it.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

I don't like the turn c/r; I think it polarizes villain's range too much against your hand.

As played, river looks fine if you think he'll call with strong 1pair and 2pair hands OR if you have some reason to call any shove from villain (to avoid a negative freeroll or possibly fold out weak straights or flushes).

C/F or shove depending on feel of villain.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

I thought the turn was a great card for him to fire with just about anything he called on the flop with.

I raised because I didn't want to give him a free card if he had a heart.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

my question is: no concerns for the flush getting there on the turn?

or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

but seriously, no considerations here for the FD getting tehre on the turn, and 66 on the flop hitting?
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

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or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

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I think he'd raise a flush draw + 2 overs at least some of the time (if not most of the time). I'm not ruling out a flush though.

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also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

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66 is such a tiny part of his range, as is 22. I'm not worrying about a set-over-set situation too much.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: 600 NL flopped set.

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or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

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I think he'd raise a flush draw + 2 overs at least some of the time (if not most of the time). I'm not ruling out a flush though.

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also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

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66 is such a tiny part of his range, as is 22. I'm not worrying about a set-over-set situation too much.

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true - but given the action - calling flop and the
bet/calling 3bet on turn line.. (it's tough here as he could be betting A Kh as well, or bet/calling with 66 - which would be standard)

tough hand - i see the rationale for the turn c/raise (if you put him on Akhearts) ...but i'd think i'd lead out here. if he did make his flush, he should raise here. If not, he shoudl be worried that a LAG player like you might've played something like 8/9 hearts and got there.
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