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11-09-2006, 11:36 AM
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$60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
50/100, 7 players left
Relavent stacks: MP= 1300 BB= 1300 (Hero = 98s) Preflop: MP raises to 250, Hero calls Flop: 5 9 J rainbow MP bets 250, Hero pushes Reads: No specific read on villian, but i read his less than 1/2pot bet as weak. FPS? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Should have folded preflop? What would you have done? WHY? 
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#2
11-09-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
I would have folded this preflop. Hands like this require implied odds to be profitable. With these stack sizes relative to the blinds, you aren't deep enough.
As played I like the flop push, you're getting quite desperate and it looks like this cbet is weak and you have alot of FE, plus you still have outs if he calls with AJ/ TT+
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#3
11-09-2006, 03:05 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#4
11-09-2006, 03:41 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself.
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#5
11-09-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself. [/ QUOTE ] Keeping the pot small and check-raising all-in would be a contradiction.
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#6
11-09-2006, 04:15 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself. [/ QUOTE ] Keeping the pot small and check-raising all-in would be a contradiction. [/ QUOTE ] i think what hes *trying* to say is that, while your original goal would be something along the lines of checking behind on the flop with a midpair, the situation has turned such that you either have to secede the pot or come over the top. since the original goal of keeping the pot small has arrived at a fork in the road, he suggests shoving....maybe im just way off
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#7
11-09-2006, 11:41 AM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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What would you have done? WHY? [/ QUOTE ] I would fold preflop 100% of the time. You're putting 25% of your stack in with a weak hand and you don't have the implied odds to hit anyway since both of you only have 13BB.
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#8
11-09-2006, 11:44 AM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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You're putting 25% of your stack in [/ QUOTE ] ummm no... im not saying folding pf would be atrocious, but i wouldnt. i would play the flop the same.
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#9
11-09-2006, 11:49 AM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
it looks like from your post that you are in the BB. are you just giving us the BB stack? are you on the button here?
i would've folded pre-flop b/c i am not comfortable playing 98s post flop w/o hitting the flop hard w/strong draws. if you're comfortable playing this hand post-flop you've got position and a flop that seems to be screaming c-bet me from the original raiser so i don't mind the shove.
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#10
11-09-2006, 11:50 AM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] You're putting 25% of your stack in [/ QUOTE ] ummm no... im not saying folding pf would be atrocious, but i wouldnt. i would play the flop the same. [/ QUOTE ] Right, it's 20% and some of that's already in there with his BB. (I thought the raise was to +300.) I still can't see how anything but folding can be correct here with stack sizes as they are, and the raise coming from MP.
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