6 max and shorter win rates

[Buffsta8]

I know most people are fairly cagey about this but if anyone could post or pm with what they think are good/great/world class win rates i'd very much like to know

Also I looked for similar threads but didn't find anything on it if there is a thread on this can someone link me to it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'm more than willing to post my own winrate but I didn't want it to degenerate into a brag thread or people making fun of me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (whichever was more appropriate)

[Entity]

What limits are you talking about? I'm guessing primarily 25/50 - 150/300? From what I remember of you, you wouldn't need to worry about people making fun of you for a bad winrate.

I don't know that you'll get a lot of great responses in this thread, though.

Rob

[Buffsta8]

Any Really [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I have small sample sizes from limits as small as 3/6 but predominantly I was looking at good winrates for limits of 10/20 and up. The win rate thing was just because I didn't want people to think this was a thinly veiled brag where I revealed my winrate and said "haha i'm soo good" I just wanted to know what very good mid limit players were making ./100

[antifish225]

Well I am not 'very good' or world class by any stretch of the imagination.......my w/r over my last 230K hands (some 5/10, lots of 10/20, some higher) is 1.2BB - like I said far from world class (and this is all 6-max, mainly 4-6 players - I do not play heads up) - AF

[skilled]

IMHO
pretty good to good = 1bb/100 to 1.5 bb/100 in 20/40 to 50/100

good to great = 1.5bb/100 to 2bb/100 in 20/40 to 50/100

Worldclass superstar = 2bb+/100.

This is as far as twoplustwoers are concerned. Obviously if you are beating 20/40-50/100 for 1bb/100 you are a great player, just not amongst other twoplustwo high limit players.

BTW, if you run at 2bb+/100 over 100k hands at those limits in the last twelve months... I want lessons lol.

[PartyGirlUK]

1 is good, 2 is very good, 3 is exceptional.

Edit: that applies to the 10-20 to 20-40 type limits.

[kahntrutahn]

The variance of a 1bb/100 WR is just hell on earth. I suggest staying where you can win at least 1.5bb/100. However, that is simply a personal opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jaVinci]

How many hands do you consider enough before a near true winrate can be seen?

[Guy McSucker]

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How many hands do you consider enough before a near true winrate can be seen?

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You will never know your true winrate until you die so stop worrying about it for goodness' sake.

With a standard deviation of 18BB/100, if you want to know your winrate to within half a BB/100 i.e. plus or minus 0.25BB, working with two standard deviations, you'd need 1.6 million hands. Even then there's a 5% chance you're out.

Have your opponents changed over that time? Has your own play changed over that time?

If the answers to both these questions are no, you are a liar or misguided.
If the answer to either question is yes, your winrate is meaningless.


I maintain that it is much easier to know if you're playing a winning style, by looking at your play and your opponents play, than it is to calculate a winrate based on results. Get on with winning, or learning to win, and stop fretting over your winrate.


Guy.

[kahntrutahn]

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With a standard deviation of 18BB/100,

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Yea, shorthanded your std. dev. will be much higher than 18, as such, your winrate will not converge for 4million+ hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]