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Old 08-23-2007, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

fold pf if he wont do this with ak, and he probably wont. do not bet the flop.
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Old 08-23-2007, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

fold pre against an 11/10. you are dead way more than you are against AK or a frustrated JJ.
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:40 PM
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Im confused since he has shown much strength preflop and is saying he has KK AA, we have to bet here dont we on flop to see where were at otherwise were loosing information?

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So you're the guy who buys all those e-books on how to use ebay.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:28 AM
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I don't play at these limits but I like to read your posts, they teach a lot... Just one question, what the hell does "11/10/3.5" mean? I see that very often but I don't get the stats behind it? Tx

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they are stats generated by a program called poker tracker, they refer to: 11=VPIP the %age of hands he plays PF
10=%age he raises PF
and 3.5=his overall aggression factor which is a frequency that takes into account how often he calls bets and raises

as for the hand, i see this as a bluff with AK a fair amount of the time, but not from this kind of guy

i agree that u should prolly fold PF
i really dont like turn unless it is to induce a bluff from AK which i doubt this guy has cause he prolly doesnt 4bet it or bluff it, he prolly bet folds it

after checking flop im not sure what i would do, but if i call a turn bet i think im folding to any reasonable river bet, if turn gets checked i would prolly call a river bet though
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:00 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

Thank you Rand. As for the "overall agression factor", what scale is it? I mean, is 3.5 very agressive, agressive...?
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

It's roughly speaking the ratio of bets and raises to calls. So 3.5 is somewhat aggressive.
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:29 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

ummm, 11/10? fold pf.
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

allright, tx jtr!
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

for a 11/10, 3.5 is somewhat passive I think

preflop is very bad

his range I say is around 80% of the time AA-KK, if the 11/10 sample is accurate, cant see how it is though.
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 QQ \"total lost\"

3.5 is 'passive' on the back of 11/10 see the the AG equation on PT.

Unless villan has solid recent history that contradicts his stats its unlikely we are going to see AK / 10's or less.

Ignore the AG for post flop and as played its a fold,consider the AG pre flop its a fold.

As for the flop bet you are investing 25% of a Buy In to find out if your are up against AK, with villans stats and action AK will be there almost never.
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