Iso push here feels weird

[BarryLyndon]

FT Daily Double:

Blinds 100/200

Villain1 (1700), CO-1: Pretty tight and straight forward

Villain2 (4054), Button: Another "special" player. Loose passive on the flop, plays all sorts of trash, mini-raises with hands he considers strong (like A9o), will get his money in with marginal holdings on the flop. IT IS TELLING, because I was thinking about this, that after I 3-bet with AA in BB against UTG's raise and Villain's limp, that he folded to a UTG 4-bet, and then discussed how he "once again" folded 55 and would have hit a set.

Hero (15,342): Came in with about 8000, bluffed once, showed down AA v. KK for big pot.

Hand:

Folds to Villain1 who raises to 700, Villain2 calls, Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in SB who ___________?

Barry

[ChipSpeak]

We are way ahead of his range & you've seen him fold to this. Take the overlay his weakness has given us, shove.

[Mingdu]

I played just over 1100 hands last night and got AQ 24 times ... raised every time (once I folded as a couple of tight players were all in ahead of me and I was covered by both) and was down thousands of chips in every manner possible.

So fold that trash

Actually you have a nice spot hereand I put them both allin.

wtf is villain #1 doing betting 700 leaving 1000 behind? He show AA or KK or something?

edit: also based on reads and history i don't think you have much fe here and wouldn't be at all surprised if you get calls from both of them

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

Passive? Go and go? Raise to 2500... it's enough to fold him if he's going to and enough that it leaves a bad passive player enough back that maybe he folds to you on the flop when you miss and c-bet. Myabe i'm speaking out my ass but that's my play.

[ChipSpeak]

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Passive? Go and go? Raise to 2500... it's enough to fold him if he's going to and enough that it leaves a bad passive player enough back that maybe he folds to you on the flop when you miss and c-bet. Myabe i'm speaking out my ass but that's my play.

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He's never flat calling that raise, may as well shove. I'd rather play this with his donated overlay, heads up vs shortie.

[levAA]

i think this is a very interesting spot.

i would say you are behind villain 1, but in front of villain 2.

with these stack sizes i would try this:
raise to ~2500. villain 1 has to call this - villain 2 gets great odds to call this to. as he is pot committed with a call he will shove - thats what you want - now you can even loose against villain 1 but still win.

i like these kind of stack-size poker.

[Sherman]

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i think this is a very interesting spot.

i would say you are behind villain 1, but in front of villain 2.

with these stack sizes i would try this:
raise to ~2500. villain 1 has to call this - villain 2 gets great odds to call this to. as he is pot committed with a call he will shove - thats what you want - now you can even loose against villain 1 but still win.

i like these kind of stack-size poker.

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Creative, but I just shove for full value against villain 2's range. He'll probably call with AJ or AT (which he may dump to a go and go) and you'll get maximum value against him.

[BarryLyndon]

This whole 2500 idea, to a bad player, may be interpreted as really weak and he may think he has FE and push with a small pair (like 33 or 44) which he would fold otherwise. I'm looking to fold out 33, 44, 55 here but, get AJo and A10 to call.

Now, here is a question of stylistics (lol): In the hand, I push for 15.2K (whatever I had), the player in BB had 2.3K, so no biggy from that front. Is this better or worse than raising to 4K (Villain2's amount) in terms of psychology. And why?

Barry

[greggg230]

i like raising to the exact amount of their stack so it looks like I have it out for them

[pothead]

I many times just cover the opponents stack if it is someone I perceive as a thinking player and I don't want a call.
My guess is that that signals to them that I'm looking for a call, while against a donk they might perceive it as more threatening with an all-in.

Here it seems like we have a not very good player that probably has a lesser holding and want to induce a call, so then I might opt for making a raise the size of his stack to make it seem a bit more harmless to him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Not sure if my thinking is right and probably there very little to be gained or lost by either approach.