river cr

[DeathDonkey]

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joker122 i think ur underestimating peoples ability to call with [censored] that doesnt beat anything at all

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I agree with joker122's initial premise but this simple statement is pretty correct too, so I'm a bit torn.

-DeathDonkey

[dangerfish]

Bet. Horrible spot to check raise imo. Pot is pretty big and it's looking like he is paying off, don't give him a chance to check behind with one of these hands. I really hate a check raise here, hate it.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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joker122 i think ur underestimating peoples ability to call with [censored] that doesnt beat anything at all

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I agree with joker122's initial premise but this simple statement is pretty correct too, so I'm a bit torn.

-DeathDonkey

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Im torn also. It seems like a valid argument can be made for both lines. I would lean towards betting the river however becuz I do think Joker is underestimating the villain's range of calling hands that wont bet if checked to.

I just wanna say that I love the format of Joker's OP. He constructs a common spot we all face, and then hes says what he thinks is the best line and then discussion begins. I think it would be great if more strong players like Joker posted like this.

[joker122]

"And if we are assuming that he's competent enough to fold 44-88 (a reasonable assumption that I agree with for the most part, tho certainly you will get some calls), he should also be competent enough to fold a naked J to a c/r. So I don't see you gaining much by trying to c/r those hands: they may not value bet, and they likely won't call the c/r. Whereas they are calling your river bet for sure.
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yeah, this def. detracts from the argument for cring.

fwiw this was ftp 1k/2k, bb was patrick antonious who i understand is a v good player (i don't follow pop poker at all) and utg was sassi who i don't know much about except that he's.a regular at the ft nosebleed limit games

[Heisenb3rg]

I defintily sexy more than anyone I play with, so fortunatuly through experimentaiton (and hundreds of whiffed c/r) ive learned a lot of the nuances of when to and when not to sexy.

The bigget thing ive realized is it's important you know the opponents river tendencies before you start sexying.. *exceptions on the rare boards*

There are certaintly opponetns I would sexy here... but even more I wouldnt...

Gherigs response is the main reason.

[DeathDonkey]

Which line did Patrik end up taking?

-DeathDonkey

[joker122]

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Which line did Patrik end up taking?

-DeathDonkey

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he checked and sassi checked behind.

[DeathDonkey]

I wonder if there was any chance Patrik was check/calling. Haven't watched those games much so I don't know if this is impossible for him (like he's a relentless river value machine) or not.

-DeathDonkey

[Kobecarter]

what about Ahxh flushdraws, don't you think they are also in villains range?

[joker122]

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I wonder if there was any chance Patrik was check/calling. Haven't watched those games much so I don't know if this is impossible for him (like he's a relentless river value machine) or not.

-DeathDonkey

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there is no way he was c/cing that river.

FullTiltPoker Game #3950884148: Table Mirasol (6 max) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 5:30:52 ET - 2007/10/24
Seat 3: FinddaGrind ($51,724)
Seat 4: Sassi ($360,333)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($43,005)
Seat 6: ScHnibL0r ($23,731)
ScHnibL0r posts the small blind of $500
FinddaGrind posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sassi raises to $2,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $3,000
ScHnibL0r folds
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
Sassi calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [3d 6c 7d]
FinddaGrind bets $1,000
Sassi calls $1,000
Hoss_TBF calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [3d 6c 7d] [2d]
FinddaGrind checks
Sassi checks
Hoss_TBF checks
*** RIVER *** [3d 6c 7d 2d] [4s]
FinddaGrind bets $2,000
Sassi calls $2,000
Hoss_TBF folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FinddaGrind shows [Kh 4h] a pair of Fours
Sassi shows [5h As] a straight, Seven high
Sassi wins the pot ($16,498) with a straight, Seven high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16,500 | Rake $2
Board: [3d 6c 7d 2d 4s]
Seat 3: FinddaGrind (big blind) showed [Kh 4h] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: Sassi showed [5h As] and won ($16,498) with a straight, Seven high
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF (button) folded on the River
Seat 6: ScHnibL0r (small blind) folded before the Flop