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#21
08-17-2007, 08:42 PM
 wpr101 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,821
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

For timing I usually like a 3-5 second delay. Generally this is how long it takes me to pull the trigger with a fd in a case like this.
#22
08-17-2007, 11:17 PM
 linuxrocks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,014
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

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Okay, I'll be nice:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.813% 68.03% 00.78% 4041 46.50 { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 31.187% 30.40% 00.78% 1806 46.50 { JJ }

Folds, you win \$430.

You shove, he calls, 68% of the time you win \$430 in pot + \$851 in his stack = +\$871
You shove, he calls, 30% of the time you lose \$1041 more. = \$312

This ignores ties, because i'm lazy, but that's also additional EV for you.

Shoving EV = \$871-312 = \$559.

You do not want an overpair to fold.

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#23
08-18-2007, 11:28 AM
 shootaa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: StackTheFish website is up! (see homepage) Posts: 2,650
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

folding JJ, thats worse than 2 pair right?

shove is probably your best bet here (zing).
#24
08-18-2007, 11:33 AM
 FireStorm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Staten Island Posts: 2,155
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

Get it all in.
#25
08-18-2007, 11:38 AM
 JooWish622 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 808
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

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I'm shoving because I want JJ to fold.

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Classic!

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no your response is [censored] classic

i see waht the OP means, but we're forgetting some things here. A. theres no gaur that he has an overpair here... sometimes if we make a pot raise here, he may come over the top with worse hands like overcard draws or JT.

but wait, both of those are like 30-35% which is the same as JJ here so... maybe a shove is better to get them to fold because the ev of him folding in a pot this big is probably better than calling.

Id pot raise and hope for a hero fold. the AI looks drawy no?

-Joo
#26
08-18-2007, 11:43 AM
 jpsnow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 366
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

Isnt folding PF here the best option with his stack.
As played shove.
#27
08-18-2007, 05:48 PM
 JooWish622 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 808
Re: Dumb question about extracting value

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I'm shoving because I want JJ to fold.

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Classic!

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linuxrocks sucks dick

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