Level of competition at the WSOP???

yeedog · #1 03-05-2007, 03:12 AM

If this isn't the right place to ask this then please move this to the correct place...

My friend and I were discussing the WSOP and he says that the competition must be "crazy hard" in general for NLHE. We were not talking about any buy in in particular but I felt that he is over estimating the competition.

Neither of us have played at an event at the WSOP and we don't feel we are good enough anyways but I was just wondering if somebody could relate the competition level to say an online game.

For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.

Something like this in reference to WSOP events would be great. Does the ME have harder competition then say a 1.5K or 2K event in NLHE?

Thanks for any responses.

beenben · #2 03-05-2007, 04:20 AM

the conventional wisdom in these forums is that the WSOP, the ME in particular, is the fishiest tournament you'll ever find. Plenty of people that satelited in from an Internet site, or rich guys that just pony up the 10gs and have no fornicating idea what the fornicate they're doing, or some idea about what they're doing, but they THINK they know more than what they actually do know.

I'm just repeating what I've read here. I've never been there.

JuntMonkey · #3 03-05-2007, 05:17 AM

I'm not that good, but I was the best player at my table until JC Tran showed up.

If you can beat $20+ SNG's you're probably +EV in the Main Event.

ZBTHorton · #4 03-05-2007, 05:51 AM

I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

The 2500, rebuy and 5K events are much more difficult. Probably similar to a 109 online MTT.

yeedog · #5 03-05-2007, 10:39 AM

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

The 2500, rebuy and 5K events are much more difficult. Probably similar to a 109 online MTT.

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wow $10 MTT online soft on avaerage for the ME and 1500? I figured they were soft but not that soft. Almost makes me want take a stab at a $1500 event now, lol

I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

The 1500 event is the cheapest event so everybody that wants to play the WSOP has to play that if they don't satellite into the ME or want to pony up for a higher buyin. Those middle of the road buy-ins of 2K, 3K or 5K cost more and the random person wouldn't pay that when they can just play a 1500 so the competition is tougher.

Thanks for the replies all...

kutuz_off · #6 03-05-2007, 01:37 PM

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I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

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It is close to $200 MTT, but only one specific kind - sunday millions on stars. I'd say that tournament gives you a very good idea what to expect at WSOPME, opponents-wise.

ApeAttack · #7 03-05-2007, 02:20 PM

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For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.

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Do you mean 0.25/0.50 NL?

yeedog · #8 03-05-2007, 02:39 PM

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For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.

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Do you mean 0.25/0.50 NL?

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The / was ment as an or, but I can see how that is confusing. I meant I've read people saying if you can beat 25NL (0.10/0.25) or 50NL (0.25/0.50) online cash games then you can beat 1/2 live as it's the same players since 1/2 live is the lowest that a casino is going to spread.

johnnyrocket · #9 03-05-2007, 02:42 PM

yea real fishy, ur friend is an idiot

yeedog · #10 03-05-2007, 02:50 PM

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I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

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It is close to $200 MTT, but only one specific kind - sunday millions on stars. I'd say that tournament gives you a very good idea what to expect at WSOPME, opponents-wise.

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Ahh thanks. So one could use the Sunday million as a way to test one abiliities. If you can't cash there or if one gets run over in play you're probably not going to do well in the ME.

Would you say the lesser buyin events are the same or would you agree with a previous poster who compared the $1500 buyin NLHE event to have an average player skill level to be on par with a $10 online MTT on say Stars.

I mean obviously if you final table a $1500 event you'll probably be up against way above average players but the same can be said in a $10 MTT as the final table would have better then avgerage players as well.