*** OFFICIAL 12/03/07 NFL MNF GAME THREAD (NE @ BAL)***

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None-the-less, the 24.5 spread is still 3-8 right now, and over 21 isn't a whole lot better.


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I'm still not sure how people can quote these facts and escape ridicule here. NE is 8-3 against a -20.5 spread. They have also outscored their opponents by an average of 23.4 points. There, I guess I just proved what a great play NE -20.5 is.

This amounts to an "angle", and is not worth talking about. You have to look at the two teams playing, the circumstances surrounding the game, the location, injuries, etc. I don't much care what NE did against some arbitrary number, especially when moving the number a couple of points can swing the record around completely.

[Schwatt]

I am undecided on betting the spread again this week. However, the over(50.5) looks intriguing once again, but NE will have to cover this pretty much by themselves. Maybe that makes the under a decent play? But then again, NE is averaging over 40pts/game this year so it wouldn't take much from BAL to cover the 50.5.

NE totals have now gone over 50pts 8/11 games. The lowest so far was 44.

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Umm... The 2nd and 4th best Ds in the league and Over is the clear play?!?!


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[ToNYlol]

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Umm... The 2nd and 4th best Ds in the league and Over is the clear play?!?!


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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half. Imagine what Brady, Moss, and Welker will do. Not saying they'll match the 5 TDs in the half but still. Some of the "decent" offenses they've played just recently (last 4 games actually)--Pitt, Cinci, and and San Diego put up 91 combined. Ravens D isn't even in the top 10 let alone the top 5 imo

[Thremp]

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Umm... The 2nd and 4th best Ds in the league and Over is the clear play?!?!


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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half. Imagine what Brady, Moss, and Welker will do. Not saying they'll match the 5 TDs in the half but still. Some of the "decent" offenses they've played just recently (last 4 games actually)--Pitt, Cinci, and and San Diego put up 91 combined. Ravens D isn't even in the top 10 let alone the top 5 imo

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Yawn. Good thing your opinion is terrible. FO has them as 4th. They're still solid. But I don't think a matchup of a horrid offense and two top defenses screams out over as the preferred and obv play.

[ToNYlol]

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Umm... The 2nd and 4th best Ds in the league and Over is the clear play?!?!


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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half. Imagine what Brady, Moss, and Welker will do. Not saying they'll match the 5 TDs in the half but still. Some of the "decent" offenses they've played just recently (last 4 games actually)--Pitt, Cinci, and and San Diego put up 91 combined. Ravens D isn't even in the top 10 let alone the top 5 imo

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Yawn. Good thing your opinion is terrible. FO has them as 4th. They're still solid. But I don't think a matchup of a horrid offense and two top defenses screams out over as the preferred and obv play.

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Yeah and just because FO has them 4th makes them REALLY a top 5 D[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Don't you think earlier games against the Jets, 49ers, and Rams(without Bulger and SJax at the time) have just a little to do with that?

If you wanna go by stats and stats only then NFL.com has them as the 3rd rushing D and 15th passing D. You think the Patriots are going to run the ball? So you have the #1 passing O up against the #15 passing D playing for what will probably be most of the day because the Ravens offense is garbage. Will that "Top D" have ANY gas left at all in the 4th, after being on the field all game?

[AllinDan]

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Yeah and just because FO has them 4th makes them REALLY a top 5 D[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Don't you think earlier games against the Jets, 49ers, and Rams(without Bulger and SJax at the time) have just a little to do with that?

If you wanna go by stats and stats only then NFL.com has them as the 3rd rushing D and 15th passing D. You think the Patriots are going to run the ball? So you have the #1 passing O up against the #15 passing D playing for what will probably be most of the day because the Ravens offense is garbage. Will that "Top D" have ANY gas left at all in the 4th, after being on the field all game?

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I think you should read up on DVOA, it's adjusted for the strength of opponents.

However, you have a point; according to FO BAL is 2nd against the run and 16th against the pass so Brady should be able to light them up

[ProfessorBen]

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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half.

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Someone didn't read the Baltimore injury report that week. Circumstantial and incomplete evidence is meaningless.

[ToNYlol]

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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half.

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Someone didn't read the Baltimore injury report that week. Circumstantial and incomplete evidence is meaningless.

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Ok noted, and relying on a team to be 4th best in any given category when clearly that ranking is inflated due to a string of games against weak offenses is not circumstantial?

[kyro]

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Ravens D is extremely old and overrated. They gave up 5 TDs to Roethlisberger in one half.

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Someone didn't read the Baltimore injury report that week. Circumstantial and incomplete evidence is meaningless.

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Not only that, but the longest TD drive for Pitt in that game was 50 yards. Blaming a defense for its offense's inability to hold onto the ball and constantly giving the other team a short field to work with is unfair.