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10-24-2007, 12:14 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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FWIW -- did you notice, honestly, how tight the play was? when i play limit tourneys on stars, or just the individual cash games, there seems to be a lot more capping, 3rd street reraising etc... There was one razz hand when 3 guys all had 3 to an 8 low or better, and THEY ALL LIMPED IN!! You'd never see that on pokerstars... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah the play looks uniformly awful. Everyone is trying to preserve their stacks, there's no aggression, it seems like they have a rule to never go more than one bet postflop, it's always check-bet-call or bet-call , no raises without the nuts. Nobody's bluffing and they all seem to chase really badly early in the hand and just instafold if someone bets the river. So so bad. 
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#32
10-24-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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Yeah the play looks uniformly awful. Everyone is trying to preserve their stacks, there's no aggression, it seems like they have a rule to never go more than one bet postflop, it's always check-bet-call or bet-call , no raises without the nuts. Nobody's bluffing and they all seem to chase really badly early in the hand and just instafold if someone bets the river. So so bad. [/ QUOTE ] This could be WAY off, but its just a theory I had while watching the episode. I think everyone wants to win this tournament SO bad that its skewing their play a little toward the passive side. They try to preserve as much of their stack as possible waiting for that big hand so they can fuel back up. Negraneu seemed REALLY distraught when he busted out, much more than in the ME it seemed. A bit of an apples to oranges comparison but I think its a little valid.
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#33
10-24-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
I think its more the blinds were so high that it really effected the game play, in that people didn't want to get tied to a hand.
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#34
10-24-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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[ QUOTE ] FWIW -- did you notice, honestly, how tight the play was? when i play limit tourneys on stars, or just the individual cash games, there seems to be a lot more capping, 3rd street reraising etc... There was one razz hand when 3 guys all had 3 to an 8 low or better, and THEY ALL LIMPED IN!! You'd never see that on pokerstars... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah the play looks uniformly awful. Everyone is trying to preserve their stacks, there's no aggression, it seems like they have a rule to never go more than one bet postflop, it's always check-bet-call or bet-call , no raises without the nuts. Nobody's bluffing and they all seem to chase really badly early in the hand and just instafold if someone bets the river. So so bad. [/ QUOTE ] Or the way they played is closer to optimal strategy. Those capping every street are overplaying their hands.
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#35
10-24-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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Wow did Kaplan play that Razz hand terribly against Raymer. How do you fold a 10 high with Raymer showing a King and a pair? [/ QUOTE ] It's a 10 low , and yes he butchered that hand.
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#36
10-24-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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[ QUOTE ] Wow did Kaplan play that Razz hand terribly against Raymer. How do you fold a 10 high with Raymer showing a King and a pair? [/ QUOTE ] Because he doesn't think Raymer can bet into him with a hand he beats given what's on board. This seems pretty obvious. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently Fossilman didn't get the memo.
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#37
10-24-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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And according to this last segment, he thinks he's really good at it... [/ QUOTE ] According to guys like Doyle and Greenstein, Matusow is one of the best O/8 players in the world.
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#38
10-24-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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lol world series of chip stacking how did Carlos Mortensen not win this?? [/ QUOTE ] Does Adam Schoenfeld have a real job or what? He seems to pop up on ESPN when they need a smarta^s opinion on something related to poker but he never seems to be anywhere close to a final table. From CP's db he hasn't cashed in anything since 2004 and the only tourney (that made it in the db) that he won was the Linda Johnson Celebrity Challenge.
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#39
10-24-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Wow did Kaplan play that Razz hand terribly against Raymer. How do you fold a 10 high with Raymer showing a King and a pair? [/ QUOTE ] Because he doesn't think Raymer can bet into him with a hand he beats given what's on board. This seems pretty obvious. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently Fossilman didn't get the memo. [/ QUOTE ] It's like a 2nd level meta bluff. This shouldn't be confusing.
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#40
10-24-2007, 04:27 PM
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Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/23 - $50K Horse - Parts 3 and 4)
I love Gabe but he did look tired. And he was calling so much in O/8 and Stud/8 that it was kinda shocking the he folded to Fossilman there.
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