Rules question about showing your hand

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I'm fairly new to B&M poker and wasn't sure what to think about the following scenario, which came up in a dutch casino.

Player A has gone all in on the turn and Player B is pondering a call. While waiting on Player B's decision, Player C, who isn't in the hand, asks if he could look at Player A's hand.

Player A obliges and slides over his cards to Player C, who looks at them and hands them back. The cards never crossed the betting line.

Is the hand dead? Or does it depend on house rules?

The dealer claimed that the hand is not dead since it never crossed the line. I said since it's their local rule to not expose your hand before the showdown, it can't possibly be ok to show them to select players, even if they're not in the hand.

[SellingtheDrama]

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I'm fairly new to B&M poker and wasn't sure what to think about the following scenario, which came up in a dutch casino.

Player A has gone all in on the turn and Player B is pondering a call. While waiting on Player B's decision, Player C, who isn't in the hand, asks if he could look at Player A's hand.

Player A obliges and slides over his cards to Player C, who looks at them and hands them back. The cards never crossed the betting line.

Is the hand dead? Or does it depend on house rules?

The dealer claimed that the hand is not dead since it never crossed the line. I said since it's their local rule to not expose your hand before the showdown, it can't possibly be ok to show them to select players, even if they're not in the hand.

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Under 'normal' rules (which may or may not exist with the floorman nearest to you), Player A would have to show the entire table his hand at the conclusion if there is no showdown.

Obviously if B calls it is a moot point.

[bav]

No that does not kill the hand anywhere that plays by anything approaching normal poker rules. But folks have posted on here some pretty strange rules, including of poker rooms that insist any hand exposed before showdown is dead. So yeah, it will depend on the room you're in.

[Edge34]

Last time I was at Canterbury, one of the dealers told me they were no longer allowing players to have others sweat their hands. If that's an official rule or just one they're trying to keep a whole bunch of people from asking for "show one, show all" on every hand, I don't know. But that's the last update I heard.

[psandman]

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Last time I was at Canterbury, one of the dealers told me they were no longer allowing players to have others sweat their hands. If that's an official rule or just one they're trying to keep a whole bunch of people from asking for "show one, show all" on every hand, I don't know. But that's the last update I heard.

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I have long contended that it is improper to show another player your hand while you still have action (not the scenario in the OP) but it is so common that its impossible to stop.

The reason i believe it is improper is that it violates the one player to a hand rule (or at least potentially does). The problem is that I show my hand to my neighbor who has folded and then he has some reaction. While most players claim that the players reaction doesn't influence there play, I am not convinced.

[Milo]

Canterbury no longer allows players to sweat hands, but the rule is unevenly enforced, and only applies to players in the game. They do allow players to expose cards during a hand in cash games, although it is frowned upon. They will not kill a hand for sweating or for exposing cards, but if you show for a buddy it is likely someone will ask to see your cards and the dealer will immediately oblige.

[bav]

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The reason i believe it is improper is that it violates the one player to a hand rule (or at least potentially does). The problem is that I show my hand to my neighbor who has folded and then he has some reaction. While most players claim that the players reaction doesn't influence there play, I am not convinced.

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I'll never find it because it was posted a long time ago, but someone here told a tale of two guys obviously working together like this. Don't recall at all the details, but basically Martin has gone all-in and is waiting for a call and shows Lewis his cards and Lewis says something like "you can't call with that crap, fold!" Martin says "SHUT UP" and looks seriously upset and of course his opponent insta-calls. Martin turns over the nuts and Lewis smirks.

[psandman]

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The reason i believe it is improper is that it violates the one player to a hand rule (or at least potentially does). The problem is that I show my hand to my neighbor who has folded and then he has some reaction. While most players claim that the players reaction doesn't influence there play, I am not convinced.

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I'll never find it because it was posted a long time ago, but someone here told a tale of two guys obviously working together like this. Don't recall at all the details, but basically Martin has gone all-in and is waiting for a call and shows Lewis his cards and Lewis says something like "you can't call with that crap, fold!" Martin says "SHUT UP" and looks seriously upset and of course his opponent insta-calls. Martin turns over the nuts and Lewis smirks.

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Well i was talking more about the sceanrio where Player A shows his hand to Player B. Player B nods in approval and Player A bets. Maybe Player A would have bet anyway, ceratinly if Player B said "Hey thats a great hand you should bet that" we would agree that he was violating the rules, well a lot can be said with a nod.

[knifeandfork]

"check to Martin and Lewis over here" i think thats form that movie with the russian guy and the law student.

[bernie]

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The reason i believe it is improper is that it violates the one player to a hand rule (or at least potentially does). The problem is that I show my hand to my neighbor who has folded and then he has some reaction. While most players claim that the players reaction doesn't influence there play, I am not convinced.

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Who are you protecting? This would likely benefit the player yet to act so the guy showing the hand is bringing it upon himself. It's more detrimental to the guy showing the hand. If he wants to open himself up to it, I say let him.

Why would someone not want the possibility to gain more info about his opponents hand? Especially when it involves an action done by the opponent.

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