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Old 11-05-2007, 04:21 AM
kerk kerk is offline
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Default To weak with KK?

Poker Stars, $12 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 6 Players
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MP: 1,460
Hero (CO): 1,550
BTN: 1,360
SB: 1,480
BB: 1,500
UTG: 1,650

Pre-Flop: (30) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls 20, <font color="red">MP raises to 60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 200</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls 180, MP calls 140

Flop: (630) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets?


No real reads as very early on. Seems weak to check fold, seems stupid to bet into 3 people that have called the RR.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

Checking behind is really OK. If they both check again on the turn, I'd bet something like t400.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:53 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

UTG could have a pretty wide range, most likely a small pair or a connector type hand. If you check flop and he bets out turn i'd put him on a strong hand.

MP raised very small against a limper, got reraised and snapcalled. If he's somewhat competent you can rule out hands like 88-TT since he wouldnt get implied odds. He could be a bad player having JJ or QQ looking for a safe flop, or slowplaying AA (since he reraised the limper so small).

I think the most likely hands for MP is AT-AK though and i'd check behind like pocketbear suggested. Probably call a small turnbet by MP and reevaluate the river, or of course bet out turn when they check.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:10 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

I would check behind and probably check again on the turn (and call a bet)
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:28 AM
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check again on the turn (and call a bet)

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We're last to act, Rex.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:25 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

I would put in a tiny bet and make that the last I put in this pot! I had this exact hand last night with one extra player.

I checked figuring SOMEBODY had an ace.

There was a bet on the river. 2 players called and I said screw this and folded.

Result was NO ONE had an ace but a guy had a set.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:52 AM
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Let him show his hand first
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

On a 12$, checking is probably correct.

Related question:
If we think villains are decent, we bet that flop, right?

I dont see a decent villain calling the RR with any Ax-type hand worse than AK. But AK is pretty unlikely because of card removal - and AK would also 4-Bet pre a lot. So, i think Ax is only a small part of a competent players range here.

Not sure about betting out, but i think we are ahead a lot here, against decent villains.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:59 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

call it down.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: To weak with KK?

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check again on the turn (and call a bet)

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We're last to act, Rex.

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Yeah.. but.. ?
I play it the same as Rex, betting the turn seems not good.
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