Another commerce 40 hand. Image play: King high river bluff?

[surfdoc]

Very interesting commerce game. Same table as before but all the 2p2ers are gone. Instead 2 early 20s kids who are buddies sit to my left and we get to talking. Pretty clear that they are both "pros" but in town for the tourneys. I have spent quite a bit of time chatting with the guy on my left and he has a decent grasp of the game but also some reasonable leaks. He understands position and has seen and commented on how much I open up when it is folded to me and the button is anywhere close enough to hit it by flinging 8 chips into the pot. He also knows I am tight OOP. Anyway, the hand in question is the third hand he has 3 bet me. I won the first and second hands getting pretty much the max each time. The second hand: I open with QJo from the CO, and he 3 bets the button, fish calls 3 from the BB. Flop Q56. I donk, he calls, fish folds. turn K. I c/c. River K, I check and he turbo bets in a way that seems super fishy and I say "wow, soooo fast. Hmmm I call." He says "you win" and tables 88.


On to the hand which is a bit different since it isn't a blind battle. 9 handed, two folds to me and I open raise KQo. Villian quickly 3 bets next in and it's folded back to me and I call.

Flop T, J, 3 r

I check/call (begin debate here)

Turn 2 completing the rainbow

I check/ he checks

River bricks

I cut two stacks smoothly with no hesitation but also without rushing it.

How do you like me now?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

i think not trying to outmuscle him on the flop is fine, espeically since you won the first two encounters. once he checks that turn though, i think that he is going to defensively call AK/AQ here like all the time and obv any pair. though he may know that you know this and be reason for him to fold, but my guess is that most players don't actually assume that in these decisions and call anyways.

[surfdoc]

One other tidbit of info I should share. I asked him if he got beat up in the neteller deal and he told me that he didn't play online.

[andyfox]

I like you, but I think you're going to get called here. This guy has probably seen a ton of Commerce players bet anything on the river after he checks behind on the turn.

[Joe Tall]

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One other tidbit of info I should share. I asked him if he got beat up in the neteller deal and he told me that he didn't play online.

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I have no idea it was him you were talking about when you told me this hand. He's a Foxwoods player and I've played homegames with him. This is an excellent bet as he likes to make the "baby Dougie laydowns", nice hand.

[surfdoc]

OK, lets review the pertinent details:

1. this guy is super sick of me showing him the nuts
2. he essentially turns his hand face up on the turn and knows very well I know his hand exactly
3. the pot is pretty small (which is no accident) but there are still 4.5 bets in it. This actually increases the success rate of the bluff.
4. Andy, he knows that I am not some random horrible commerce regular since we have had lengthy discussion about all kinds of things and he has seen me play for hours.
5. He doesn't play on the internet
6. his buddy is watching closely

[Barry]

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He's a Foxwoods player and I've played homegames with him. This is an excellent bet as he likes to make the "baby Dougie laydowns", nice hand.

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Who was it? Speaking of Dougie, the Mantis came out last night in the Wynn 30 game.

[surfdoc]

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He's a Foxwoods player and I've played homegames with him. This is an excellent bet as he likes to make the "baby Dougie laydowns", nice hand.

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Who was it? Speaking of Dougie, the Mantis came out last night in the Wynn 30 game.

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Very funny kid, name was common name like Jimmy or Bobby or Donny or something.

He was doing the human "beat box" thing all night and was really good at it. We had a blast. I think he was pretty suprised when I kept egging him on and told him that I was gonna start free style rapping eminem style with some ridiculous flow as soon as I won a big pot.

[The DaveR]

Given you donked TP before I can't see him folding ever.

[Entity]

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2. he essentially turns his hand face up on the turn and knows very well I know his hand exactly

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And yet this means he thinks you won't bluff?