jj overpair on scary-as-hell board vs 2 checks. bet river?

chopchoi · #1 10-03-2006, 02:59 AM

$3/$6 limit I'm new at the table.

2nd hand at the table, I'm SB w/ 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. It folds to me, I raise, BB calls.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet, BB calls.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet again, hoping he's on draw. He calls.

River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet, he calls w/ AJ.

So, I don't think I have a very respectable table image.

2 hands later: I'm CO with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 raises, MP 1 and MP3 call, I 3-bet, they all call.

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG+1 bet, The other two call, I raise, UTG+1 folds, The other two call.

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. They check, I bet, They both call.

River: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. They both check. I...

SixForty · #2 10-03-2006, 03:04 AM

Bet the river. If they cold called preflop, and called all the way with any hand that beats you (ie, any 6 or 5) then more power to them.

But I plan to get paid off here by pocket pairs below my JJ more often than I get checkraised, and with your image, may even get called by some A high hands.

JJH3984 · #3 10-03-2006, 03:14 AM

This seems like a pretty easy bet. What you do if you get raised depends on some stuff.

chopchoi · #4 10-03-2006, 03:22 AM

I had asked that question, but deleted it prior to your response because after thinking about it for a minute, it seemed obvious that, getting 16 to 1, I would have to call.

JJH3984 · #5 10-03-2006, 03:49 AM

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I had asked that question, but deleted it prior to your response because after thinking about it for a minute, it seemed obvious that, getting 16 to 1, I would have to call.

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I think if it goes bet/call/raise, you can for sure fold.

chopchoi · #6 10-03-2006, 03:51 AM

Nope. too many donks out there.

JJH3984 · #7 10-03-2006, 03:59 AM

You can call if you want, but your losing money in that sitation. You aren't good once in 17 or whatever you need.

Ron Burgundy · #8 10-03-2006, 07:08 AM

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So, I don't think I have a very respectable table image.

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Wtf does this comment mean? Villain played the first hand very passive.

Harv72b · #9 10-03-2006, 01:18 PM

FYI, 53s is one of those hands that I'll typically open complete with against an unknown or known passive opponent.

You have a pretty easy value bet on the river, and yes, getting such insane pot odds it's a bet/call with the lack of reads you have. I tend to think that even a donk would've let you know on the turn if he had a 5, and your opponents are just as likely to have paired something else, have a smaller overpair, or just have called with their ace high + gutshot (I know) or a 7 on the turn. And will pay off with many of those hands.

Mr. GQ · #10 10-03-2006, 10:09 PM

This is a huge pot, where more than often JJ will be way ahead of your loose opponents range of hands so you should value bet here.