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12-02-2007, 04:23 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] HAHA where the haters? [/ QUOTE ] Way to barely beat a PAC-10 team with mediocre talent, the refs on your side, and a coach trying to give the game away! BCS here they come! [/ QUOTE ] As soon as I saw this thread started, I knew this was exactly what the type of posts that would happen should Hawaii win....so funny. [/ QUOTE ] because it's right... the game showed Hawai'i as a fraud which has been shown numerous times most people are incapable of watching and evaluating football though they are too busy watching the pretty ball go around 
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12-02-2007, 04:27 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] HAHA where the haters? [/ QUOTE ] Way to barely beat a PAC-10 team with mediocre talent, the refs on your side, and a coach trying to give the game away! BCS here they come! [/ QUOTE ] As soon as I saw this thread started, I knew this was exactly what the type of posts that would happen should Hawaii win....so funny. [/ QUOTE ] because it's right... the game showed Hawai'i as a fraud which has been shown numerous times most people are incapable of watching and evaluating football though they are too busy watching the pretty ball go around [/ QUOTE ] Personally I'm sick of having to look so deep into every [censored] game and trying to guess who is worthy of playing in the big bowl games, which is exactly why there needs to be a playoff. Hawaii is a perfect example. If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. I'm so sick of this guessing game [censored].
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12-02-2007, 04:33 AM
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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.
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12-02-2007, 04:35 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] right in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title
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12-02-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] right in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying a playoff system is perfect, no system is. But is a million times better than the trainwreck that exists now. I would much rather have a slightly flawed system where teams could fight it out on the field than a [censored] system based on popular opinion.
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12-02-2007, 04:50 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] right in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying a playoff system is perfect, no system is. But is a million times better than the trainwreck that exists now. I would much rather have a slightly flawed system where teams could fight it out on the field than a [censored] system based on popular opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I just don't think it's a playoff is a "more perfect" system. In general, the difference between the #12 team and the #8 team is less than the difference between #2 and #3 (at least imo, I'm open to arguments that's not true). With the amount of variance in college football, any top 8 team can win the tournament. So a tournament just adds more selection bias and, to at least a small extent, cheapens regular season performance.
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12-02-2007, 04:57 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] right in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying a playoff system is perfect, no system is. But is a million times better than the trainwreck that exists now. I would much rather have a slightly flawed system where teams could fight it out on the field than a [censored] system based on popular opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I just don't think it's a playoff is a "more perfect" system. In general, the difference between the #12 team and the #8 team is less than the difference between #2 and #3 (at least imo, I'm open to arguments that's not true). With the amount of variance in college football, any top 8 team can win the tournament. So a tournament just adds more selection bias and, to at least a small extent, cheapens regular season performance. [/ QUOTE ] Well, according to this forum, the #8 team (USC) is light years ahead of the #12 team (Hawaii). As of last week's BCS standings, #2 WV and #3 OSU are pretty close. What about when Auburn went undefeated in the SEC and was #3, missed out on the championship game where USC smoked Oklahoma. I think a #3 team has a much more valid argument in making the championship game than some 3 loss team does for the 8th seed in a playoff, especially when #2 and #3 have equal records and similar SOS.
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12-02-2007, 04:50 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] Going into the season most teams know that if they lose even once that theres a chance they won't get a title shot. Most teams fully expect that if they lose twice that they'll have no title shot. Therefore, I refuse to feel bad for those teams.
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12-02-2007, 04:59 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] Going into the season most teams know that if they lose even once that theres a chance they won't get a title shot. Most teams fully expect that if they lose twice that they'll have no title shot. Therefore, I refuse to feel bad for those teams. [/ QUOTE ] and I refuse to feel bad for midmajors who are more than willing to jump into the adult pool knowing the rules beforehand if they didn't want it that way, they could compete at the lower level, yet every school jumps at the chance no pity here they already make out like bandits in NCAAB tourney...eff them
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12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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Re: Official Washington exposes Hawai\'i the Fraud Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs. If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii. [/ QUOTE ] Going into the season most teams know that if they lose even once that theres a chance they won't get a title shot. Most teams fully expect that if they lose twice that they'll have no title shot. Therefore, I refuse to feel bad for those teams. [/ QUOTE ] You do realize that entire point changes under a tournament situation, right?
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