KJo at a maniac table.

[l0gician]

CO 70/33/1.8 160 hands. Sat down with 450 bb's.
BTN 68/2/.75 100 hands.

Was already on massive tilt. oh well.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls $1.55 (All-In), Hero calls.

River: (18.05 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.05 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 17.15 BB, between Hero, CO and Button.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: 2.90 BB, between Hero and CO.</font>

[Wolfram]

Preflop is standard.

Flop is good. CO's flop-raising range is pretty wide and you want the bet-spitting-machine (Btn) to spew some more chips.

The turn bet is bad. Villain capped the flop which narrows his range down enough that I don't think there's value in putting in more than one bet. If you really want to push your hand for value you should c/r because betting is just asking to get owned. Villain will always bet this for you so there's no risk of it getting checked through. If you lead you should be doing it because you plan to b/3b but your hand isn't strong enough for that in this case.

River is good.

[xerber]

Only the turn is debatable - it´s either a c/r or a c/c.

Reads on CO are crucial in this situation. If he caps regularly the flop with air in this spot: c/r, otherwise c/c.

Against a "standard" maniac: calldown.

[l0gician]

CO has capped pre with A8o and 77.

[Wolfram]

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CO has capped pre with A8o and 77.

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That's fine and dandy, and it means he's a maniac.

However, you have to look at how the whole hand plays out. He goes for a 3-bet isolation on you preflop. Then he raises your flop-donk like a good boy (gives us protection), and caps it after you 3-bet. He's not doing that with TT.

Each action he takes should give you a little better idea of what his range is.

Now comes the turn, and you still have a mediocre-strong hand. You're certainly not folding, so what's your play. Well, if you want more money in the pot you have to figure out how much you do want and what the best way is to achieve that.

Since villain is very aggro, you might want 2 bets to go in. Betting allows villain to slow down, realizing that you do have something and just call. Or it allows him to own you for value when he does have the best hand and raise. So you should check/raise because he's betting 100%. The only positive outcome from leading the turn is if he goes for the FU-raise with a 2-5 outer, but that doesn't happen often enough to make it a viable play imo.

The big problem with a check/raise is that it allows him to 3-bet. Given all the action in this hand, your equity is probably down the shitter if he does that.

You should always go to showdown vs this guy. But you need a much bigger equity to raise.

[l0gician]

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Since villain is very aggro, you might want 2 bets to go in. Betting allows villain to slow down, realizing that you do have something and just call. Or it allows him to own you for value when he does have the best hand and raise. So you should check/raise because he's betting 100%. The only positive outcome from leading the turn is if he goes for the FU-raise with a 2-5 outer, but that doesn't happen often enough to make it a viable play imo.

The big problem with a check/raise is that it allows him to 3-bet. Given all the action in this hand, your equity is probably down the shitter if he does that.

You should always go to showdown vs this guy. But you need a much bigger equity to raise.

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I get most of what you are saying but not the c/r part. Since he bets 100% and I was getting owned by donking the turn, how is a c/r different/better? Or are you saying if I really have the best hand than a c/r is preferred, but in this case c/c because I have little equity and donking turn is just getting value owned? and that if I did have the best hand c/r gets more bets in so is preferred to donking?

[johnnyrocket]

i think c/c is fine on turn, i kno u want to maximize value but TP with a jack kicker isnt the spot to do it