NL25 top 2 - call the river?

darther · #1 11-15-2007, 08:09 PM

Villan is a maniac: 75/33.3/.77 over ~30 hands. Every single hand he either limps/mini raises/or mini 3 bet and then follows that up with a c bet almost 90% of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($19.50)
MP ($37)
CO ($33)
Button ($25)
SB ($43)
BB ($29.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $0.85, MP raises to $1.45, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25.

I check because I am 90% sure a c-bet is coming and I do not want to c-bet because I know he has air a lot of the time here. No point in raising because he c-bets so much/I am so far ahead of his range.

Turn: ($7.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5.

He usually checks when his c-bets are called so I don't want to push him out with a bet so I check. I was surprised he bet though.

River: ($17.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $10, Hero...? 

I have $10.80 left so he is effectively putting me all in. This would be a snap call except I have never seen him triple barrel and he almost always checks on the turn if his c-bets are called. So immediately raise all in or fold?

Milky · #2 11-15-2007, 08:12 PM

Wow you played this bad. First of all you need to 3bet pf. Secondly, either c/r flop or c/c, bet turn. And for the love of god please bet river. And never fold here.

Schiester · #3 11-15-2007, 08:29 PM

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Wow you played this bad. First of all you need to 3bet pf. Secondly, either c/r flop or c/c, bet turn. And for the love of god please bet river. And never fold here.

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I have no problem with this hand against a maniac. We want all the money in the middle and thats what we are getting. I expect a maniac to do this with worse hands very often. Why push off a range we are well ahead of on the flop if we know he'll keep betting into us.

Against other players I don't like this. No sense pushing AK pf with 0 FE as it looks like thats what we have.

Pushing AK sucks if you have no FE against a maniac who will call with any pp.

LOwrestling2001 · #4 11-15-2007, 08:35 PM

villain 3b hero preflop. this is WAY too passive! many streets you can take, against a maniac who is going to keep betting, i think i can c/c this flop, and then c/r the turn, look to get all your money in the middle as soon as possible! as played, shove river.

GamblorZ · #5 11-15-2007, 08:42 PM

I can understand the pre flop call, but you should really have check raised the flop or turn. The river is a push

Also keep a full buy in on the table

Schiester · #6 11-15-2007, 08:44 PM

Is anyone folding a 3betAI on this flop if we cr?

darther · #7 11-15-2007, 08:51 PM

I disagree very much with a flop C/R for reasons that have been stated.

I also think instead of a turn C/R we should just lead out on the river.

Agree/disagree?