20/180 - early TP rivers two pair

registrar · #1 08-19-2007, 06:04 AM

Fourth hand. Villain called an EP 4x raise along with the SB last hand and folded a 356r flop to the SB's lead.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3080
UTG+1: t1630
MP1: t1400
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1490
CO: t1300
Button: t200
SB: t1400
Hero: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
7 folds, SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20 (pot was t60).

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t80, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t40, SB calls t40 (pot was t120).

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t160, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t160, 2 players)
SB bets t80, Hero?

registrar · #2 08-20-2007, 04:27 AM

Bump.

swede554 · #3 08-20-2007, 04:45 AM

Not sure can't decide if I like calling or raising to 240 and folding if we get 3bet. I'm leaning toward raising to 240, he'll probably look you up w/ Ax and maybe even KQ, and fold if he 3bets.

levAA · #4 08-20-2007, 04:47 AM

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Not sure can't decide if I like calling or raising to 240 and folding if we get 3bet. I'm leaning toward raising to 240, he'll probably look you up w/ Ax and maybe even KQ, and fold if he 3bets.

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11t · #5 08-20-2007, 04:57 AM

I would like to bet 60 to 80 on the flop, but I am nit picky about such things.

Anyways, checking the turn isn't bad for value since you might snap off a river bluff or a stupid bet with a weak hand. Therefore, I would suggest raising to 200 for value but if he 3-bets you all in then you are faced with an extremly difficult decision. However the majority of the time he will fold or call with a weaker hand and if he 3 bets he likely (unless a noted donk) has you beat.

BarryLyndon · #6 08-20-2007, 10:41 AM

I can't say I'm revolted by the check on the turn, but I think on this particular board, a turn bet gets you a lot of value. I mean, even if he thinks you have an ace, he's calling a good sized bet with draws. I also think that since Q10 and QK make up a nice part of his range (as does some As), and he may think that you have a J and are trying to feel [censored] out, you can 3-bet and make him call you very often. If he pushes, meh, so be it.

Barry

registrar · #7 08-20-2007, 02:43 PM

I can't see why we'd bet the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

The size of the flop bet is debatable but I'd never full pot here.

I agree river is a raise-fold. I just called. Spider sense or whatever. He had AQ.

wizard · #8 08-20-2007, 03:19 PM

Hate the flop bet. Pot this here. Unlike most of the others, I like the turn check and even agree with the river call but certainly would not fault a raise. I just know me and I have a tuff time laying this hand down if I get reraised.

JARID · #9 08-20-2007, 06:08 PM

reg,

Not raising this river seems criminal since Ax pays you off like always. I would make it 2-220.

The rest is fine except bet more on the flop.

BlueEcho · #10 08-20-2007, 06:41 PM

I raise to 60 on the flop, but 40 often gets called by complete air so I don't hate it at all. I'm pretty sure I check behind on the turn like 90% of the time here (because 10% of the time I do things wrong).

It also seems decent to just call on the river since the Q completes some straight hands and we can/would have a problem calling a shove. That said raising the river is certainly doable as well since there is value there from hands we are beating.