Higher winrate online?

[VegasRunner]

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But I keep playing to collect online data by PokerTracker for changing my play style and attitude.

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This is what I'm starting to think. Even if online is a lower hourly winrate, I might be better off playing about 20% of my time online just to use something like pokertracker to plug up some leaks. In the long run, it might be worth my while.

[cjk73]

Also, 1/2 NL live plays much bigger then online 1/2. An opening raise to $6-$8 online is considered standard, this is roughly half of a live opening raise ($12-$15).

[jk90029]

Regarding BK's "70 hands per hour? i play 6-7, 6 max or 10 full rings, i get closer to 800+ hands an hour online. I used to play 3000-4000 hands a day M-F easy."

My rough estimates are 70 hand in 10-full ring for an hour and more than 100 hands in 6-ring for an hour. Since I only play 10-full ring, I pay $4 ~ $5 per hour in the long run.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

I do both. There is no question in my mind that live play is far, far softer. But there is no such thing as rakeback or multitabling, so online is probably going to be more profitable per hour because of RB, bonuses, and 500 hands an hour instead of 30.

[jk90029]

Live is better than online in my cases too.

More precisely speaking, my PT shows that 70 hands an hour in 10-full ring costs about $4 ~ $5. If 'Grande' plays 500 hands an hour with multitabling, then your hourly expense of about $30 in online is more than the live hourly expense of about $25, even after RB, bonuses.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Live is better than online in my cases too.

More precisely speaking, my PT shows that 70 hands an hour in 10-full ring costs about $4 ~ $5. If 'Grande' plays 500 hands an hour with multitabling, then your hourly expense of about $30 in online is more than the live hourly expense of about $25, even after RB, bonuses.

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Who cares? Its winrate that matters. And winrate has already taken into account the rake.

And you need to compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges for rake comparisons in any event. I like to think of it in terms of "fishiness" delivered per hand, or per hour. It may be true that you only pay 4-5 an hr to rake, but you only get 30 hands. But the concentration of fish is generally higher at comparatively the same level.


So I think it depends. It always depends on the player, his/her ability to multitable effectively, and his/her access to fishy live games. I've went to my local fish factory before and sat down at a table of rocks in mid day and just known that it was -EV for me to sit there with no action and huge rake. It just depends.

[jk90029]

I agree with 'Grande', for fishness in live game.

It depends, however, I will choose live game, including the fishness factor, among the live and online games.

[PrimogenitoX]

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Has anyone compared their hourly rates and decided that one is better?



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My winrate playing live 10/25NL is around $250 an hour with about 200 hours logged.

My winrate 8-tabling 3/6NL is over $500 an hour over 80k hands.

Pretty clear which one is more profitable; and at considerably lower stakes resulting in lower actual dollar variance.

But playing online is boring. So, which one do you value more...higher winrate with boredom, or half or less of your winrate but at higher stakes (appealing to your ego) and slightly more fun I guess? I think I know which one all of B&M picks...I play about 75% online 25% live myself, only to break the monotony up a bit...

[the_casino_kid]

8 tabling is so incredibly lame though...i can't stand it, anything more then 5 tables is just overkill and deteriorates your winrate significantly...who cares really if you can beat the 25/50 live for 250$ an hour then really why would you want to play online, its so incredibly boring to play online and there is absoloutely no social factor..and way easier to tilt and spew chips in my opinion

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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8 tabling is so incredibly lame though...i can't stand it, anything more then 5 tables is just overkill and deteriorates your winrate significantly...who cares really if you can beat the 25/50 live for 250$ an hour then really why would you want to play online, its so incredibly boring to play online and there is absoloutely no social factor..and way easier to tilt and spew chips in my opinion

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I agree. But I don't have the bankroll for nl 5000, probably not the talent, and no such game is spread where I live. Other than that, your plan is golden.