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Old 09-03-2007, 02:18 AM
RubbishCards RubbishCards is offline
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Default Stud8 donkament - big pairs always win

Tournament - 7 Card Stud High-Low - Level VIII (200/400), Ante 40 (converter)

I haven't been at the table for long, villain is unknown to me. He paused for ages before raising 7th.

Seat 1: 7,200
Seat 2: 552
Seat 3: 6,257
Seat 4: 6,651
Seat 5: 3,867
Seat 6: 4,701
Seat 7: 1,294
Hero: 2,360

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.60 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls

5th Street - (3.80 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (5.80 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

River - (7.80 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___raises
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___folds

Total pot: (9.80 BB)

3rd: I wouldn't normally play buried QQ against multiple opponents, but with an A up maybe I can scare someone into making a bad fold later if I pick up a scary enough board.

4th: Ugh. I hate to check this board, am I giving up too much information with this? I really don't want to be raised as I am expecting to have to fold this on 5th quite often.

5th/6th: standard I guess

7th: If I have EVER bet/folded the river in stud/8 before, I have no memory of it. Maybe he rivered a 6 low, and has a 3 and remembers the other 2 3s are out, but that's a bit of a stretch. Surely I am dead 100% of the time here?
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Old 09-03-2007, 02:27 AM
xxeximusxx xxeximusxx is offline
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Default Re: Stud8 donkament - big pairs always win

You are definitely beat on the river but since it's a donkament, that is an autocall.
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Old 09-03-2007, 02:39 AM
Andy B Andy B is offline
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Default Re: Stud8 donkament - big pairs always win

Either raise or fold third. I'd lean towards raising, but that depends on the bring-in's range.

I'm fine with fourth and fifth. The bet on sixth strikes me as pretty hopeless. If the other guy brought it in full with a three-card low, which seems at least somewhat likely, then there's no way in hell the Eight paired him. He's free-rolling on you, and you bet into him. If he didn't fold fifth, he ain't folding now. This is what is referred to in the trade as "spewing." Same goes for betting the river. But for the love of Pete, why did you fold? You're getting more than 5:1, and two pair is going to be good plenty often enough to make it worth calling.
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Old 09-03-2007, 04:14 AM
RubbishCards RubbishCards is offline
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Default Re: Stud8 donkament - big pairs always win

Oh yeah, I suppose I didn't give enough thought to his full bring-in, I never really know what to make of that because I never do it myself. Sometimes it's a razz hand, sometimes it's a decent low, sometimes it's a buried pair. Of course once you decide there is no way he is paired then obviously I can't bet 6th or 7th. My thought at the time was he is paired some of the time, he'll pay off on the river with 2 small pair or even 1 pair most of the time, and I'm showing A25 so it's not like I'm in danger of being raised. Although apparently I was.
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