NL25$ : is a flop fold ok here ?

[Luckyspikes]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<u>SB: $1.35</u>
BB: $14.15
<u>Hero (UTG): $24.65</u>
UTG+1: $49.90
MP1: $16.80
<u>MP2: $25.10</u>
MP3: $14.90
CO: $14.40
BTN: $5.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt (9 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.25, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $1.35</font>, BB calls $1.10, Hero calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Flop: ($8.10) (6 Players - 1 All-In)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.75</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $10.00</font>, 2 folds <font color="blue">Hero ?</font>
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I hate this type of situation, raise 5bb UTG and get called by 5 players...

No special read about the vilain (he is 50/6/1 other 20 hands).

Is a fold ok (or too weak) ?
Is a reraise all-in OK ?

[pterodactyl_]

Push this allllllll day. There are flush and straight draws out there that he can be betting and he is playing 50% of his hands. He probably reraises JJ and KK so 66 and KJ are the only worry hands and they make up a very small portion of his range.

[CesareBorgia]

What is the hand range you put your opponent on here?

On the one hand, he may have hit a set of sixes. He may have KJ and hit top two pair. These are the most likely hand combinations that beat you.

On the other hand, he may have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or maybe even Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], since he's capable of seeing the flop with questionable hands.

Your equity is about 25% here. The pot is just under $23 and it will cost you $5.25 to call. If your opponent has a set or two pair, he will may make you pay more money on the turn and the river. With these hands he will be highly likely to put you all-in, even if a flush or a straight card comes on the board. So if the above range is accurate, it follows that it would be best to fold here.

If, in addition to the above hands, your opponent would play like this with any AK, this would give you 37% equity. This would make the decision very difficult. You would probably want to go all-in and hope that he is incapable of laying down his AK.

In the above two hand ranges, I did assume your opponent would not re-raise you pre-flop with KK or JJ. If these hands are excluded, the above-mentioned 25% and 37% would become 30% and 44% respectively. I would fold the 30% hand range, since you're highly unlikely to get away from the hand if your opponent would make one of his draws. The 44% hand range I would go all-in hoping to get called with a worse hand.

Now let's add any KQ, and QT to our range. This changes the situation to make you an acutual favourite (60% equity). Here your preferred move is probably to move all-in. If you want I can elaborate on this. Alternatively, you might consider just calling and moving all-in depending on what comes on the turn.

I speak here about 'your opponent' thus ignoring the other opponent: the one who's all-in.

So whether to fold or not very much depends on the hand range you put your opponent on. The situation is quite complicated and since there is not enough time to use pokerstove as I did while writing this response, you would have to use experience and intuition to make your decision.

Personally, I think your opponent may well have top pair and a good kicker. He probably won't be able to throw away top pair, so I would try to get all your money in as quickly as I can or at least make him pot-committed as quickly as I can. I go all-in here, but rather on the turn, because my opponent might be able to still get away from his hand in this spot. A fold on my part is highly unlikely here.

[ship_it_trebek]

His range is enormous being 50/6 and that juicy board. You are ahead here far too often to fold.

[bottomset]

I'd bet more on the flop

looks like a very easy shove on the flop

[CalledDownLight]

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I'd bet more on the flop

looks like a very easy shove on the flop

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[umaine89]

If he's played 50% of 20 hands, I'd push all day.

[jlp_2908]

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I hate this type of situation, raise 5bb UTG and get called by 5 players...

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So, you raise UTG, get 5 callers, one of them goes all in for an extra 10 cents, and you think to yourself "dam, I wish less people called someone is gonna hit the flop hard"... Why not avoid the WHOLE situation and re-raise instead of calling the 10 cents to narrow down the players your up against? Worse case, everyone folds and you get the sweet fat pre-flop pot....

[Chargers In 07]

jlp, that's against the rules. The betting isn't reopened unless there's a full bet which in this case would be to $2.25.

[Bluegrassplayer]

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I hate this type of situation, raise 5bb UTG and get called by 5 players...

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So, you raise UTG, get 5 callers, one of them goes all in for an extra 10 cents, and you think to yourself "dam, I wish less people called someone is gonna hit the flop hard"... Why not avoid the WHOLE situation and re-raise instead of calling the 10 cents to narrow down the players your up against? Worse case, everyone folds and you get the sweet fat pre-flop pot....

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The allin bet was less than half of the original bet so you aren't allowed to raise it.

I think you need to bet more on the flop with that many people in the hand, atleast a pot sized bet. Now that there's money in the side pot you have given the other person a reason to make a semi bluff. You know he has something since he has to show down his hand anyways, but my guess is that you are most likely ahead.